Hi, I just wanted to say that a free opensource VM with do a lot of
harmonyzation in Java world. This is more or les the missing pice. There
are some free java VMs but they will never be used in critical by the
companys to run there applications if it won't be backed-up by a big
(and well known for it's qality) company/fundation. I think Appache
fundation cand be that sponsor. I also believe that Harmony should only
be about VM+classpath. But I could also see the meaning in having a tool
development pack. This could be done by some other project. Maybe
Appache could take the lead here too but this is another story.
best regards,
Valentin
Gary Affonso wrote:
On 5/20/05 3:38 AM, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On May 19, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Renaud BECHADE wrote:
Another point that is unrelated, but what about the "packaging" of
the VM?
Do we plan to release it with say Eclipse + Server (JSF + IDE +
object DB or
O/R mapping + HSQL DB)? (IMHO this is good way to legitimate it)
No. Why would we do this?
I could see why someone (at least myself) might tend to think in this
direction.
This project has been called "Harmony" and, well, there's a lot in the Java
world that could stand to be "Harmonized". The various ORM solutions, the
IDE's, the webapp frameworks, etc. Hell, a good chunk of the "disharmony"
with Java right now is serious rift between Sun, which pushes EJB, and the
"lightweight" folks who are seeing a shocking (and, IMO, deserved) amount of
success with creating and using an EJB alternative (Spring, Hibernate,
etc.).
I'm not saying I think this Harmony project should try to and harmonize any
of those thing. It's got its job cut out for it to "harmonize" the various
efforts around...
* a JVM
* a compiler
* a class library
...without thinking about the upper layers of the Java stack. I think the
scope of this effort is clear to those who are moderately "in the know".
But it's not a big surprise (at least to me) that when moderately "out of
the know" people hear "Java Harmony" they might think the effort extends
beyond just the core components. Indeed, they'll probably assume that it
addresses the aspects of Java that are, to many, are the most acrimonious to
begin with (EJB vs Lightweight or NetBeans/Swing vs Eclipse/SWT).
If nothing else, I'd suggest this be in a FAQ somewhere so that it's clear
that "Harmony" intends to address just a small subset of the java world, not
even the one that gets the most "acrimony" in the press and on blogs.
- Gary
