Oh great.. I actually believed what Gabe said about "being hard at work" on new updated mod tools.. <_<
And they can't be serious.. I tried every single other freaking engines I know of that are open to mods, and not all that archaic (Unreal, Unity, Cryengine3, ). And the only one that had most of what I wanted, was Source.. No shitty proprietary script language you'll only ever use when working on that engine, C++, an actual base with existing code to start from, tons of examples, access to shaders, a fairly big community built around it, capability for in-game cutscenes, the less locked features as possible, reasonable physics, etc.. The only thing I really didn't want was Hammer, and all the crap tools that comes with it.. I was hoping that SFM with its very well done UI and very extensive features would bring a wind of change in the way Valve makes tools for their "content creator" community ! But what you're saying sounds as if they said : "Yeah, it wasn't really cool bro, no money and all. So we just decided to ignore the people that trusted us and ragequit, screwing everything up for them ! YOLO !" The worst part is that its way too late to change engine for my project now.. And engine switch usually kills mods quicker than crappy sdk tools... "This message isn't to troll the group it's a wake up call to all the people that made the community great and the games better. Stop wasting your time trying to use this valve garbage and keep re-fixing all the stuff they break with every update. Start learning to code, and apply your know how to something you can actually control." http://youtu.be/ztVMib1T4T4 Wake up call ? Stop wasting your time ? Really ? If you were actually trying to be helpful, well I don't think you're cut out for the job.. For one, helpful people actually say constructive things.. People won't go : "Oh, really ? I could never figure this out by myself, thanks ! And I can totally restart everything from scratch on a brand new engine, while being a small mod team with not budget or income, running on motivation alone !" And the fact that you added "Start learning to code.." just makes this thing all the more insulting and ridiculous.. I've been studying for 8 years in the field, and I coded even before that.. I don't claim to be a veteran, but seriously, who the hell do you think you're talking to, elementary school kids ? Batch files, and excel programmers ? I'm sure most of the people here have at least a good understanding of C++, given that, the SDK code IS in C++.. Just saying.. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Jesse F <jesf...@gmail.com> wrote: > I want enemy behavior to react to voice so client side only isn't enough. > Thank you all for the help. > Nick, I actually had a phone interview with valve in the last few months > and asked directly about their poor support for source engine. The response > I got came down to they aren't interested in sinking a lot of resources to > compete with Unreal and Unity and the other major game engines. Clearly > someone internally has done the math and the cost of of development and > upkeep on the sdk must have worse returns compared with putting the dev > time elsewhere. I didn't get the job, not enough experience, but it was a > great conversation and I have the utmost respect for them. It just sucks > for the modders that we aren't getting the support we want. > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Nick <xnicho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I blame valve a great deal for this. I understand Valve is basing the >> entire hopes of the company on steam distribution/DRM. I still believe >> valve should not be so quick to abandon the roots of what has always made >> it money, modding and the vast amount of games that will be made FOR THEIR >> ENGINE! >> >> Valve, open up source engine modding more, make hammer map editor open >> source, allow source mods to run on linux. >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Jed <j...@wunderboy.org> wrote: >> >>> Neico pretty much nailed what I was in the process of writing. >>> >>> At least back in the EP1 code base there was still code to handle the >>> original HL1 method of moving the player model mouths based on the >>> amplitude of the input audio. It basically moved a controller bone alone a >>> defined axis based on the volume making the jaw "flap". It's in the code >>> base for the HL1:Source port. >>> >>> I used it myself and got the mouths of HL2 player models to move based >>> on the in-game voice volume so the code is still "valid". >>> >>> I'd start looking there at the code that controls the jaw and look at >>> where to pull the amplitude out (a normalised value). >>> >>> // Jed >>> >>> >>> On 8 May 2013 10:40, Neico <ad...@neic0.de> wrote: >>> >>>> You're only able to get which player is currently speaking by >>>> pPlayer->IsSpeaking() was the function I believe, for the waveforms, they >>>> are hidden behind an internal engine interface which you can't access under >>>> normal ways (if one got trough that feel free to write it down here), but >>>> I've been mimicing it by using random (the following code is taken from >>>> Garry's Lua code for moving the player's mouth and turned into C++ Code >>>> with a working solution), also note that this is client side code (I use it >>>> in CHL2MPPlayerAnimState::Update in case you want to know): >>>> >>>> if( m_fVoiceTimeout >= gpGlobals->curtime ) return; >>>> // If we had access to the volume or waveforms from the player one >>>> could replace the following line to use that instead of a Random Float, but >>>> this is as close as it'll get >>>> if( GetClientVoiceMgr()->IsPlayerSpeaking( pHL2MPPlayer->entindex() >>>> ) || ( pHL2MPPlayer->IsLocalPlayer() && >>>> GetClientVoiceMgr()->IsLocalPlayerSpeaking() ) ) m_fVoice = ( >>>> random->RandomFloat( 0.1f, 1.0f ) / m_fVoice ); >>>> >>>> LocalFlexController_t iFlexNum = >>>> pHL2MPPlayer->GetNumFlexControllers(); >>>> if( --iFlexNum <= 0 ) return; >>>> >>>> for( LocalFlexController_t i = LocalFlexController_t( 0 ); i < >>>> iFlexNum; i++ ) >>>> { >>>> const char* szName = pHL2MPPlayer->GetFlexControllerName( i ); >>>> >>>> if( !V_strcmp( szName, "jaw_drop" ) || !V_strcmp( szName, >>>> "right_part" ) || !V_strcmp( szName, "left_part" ) || !V_strcmp( szName, >>>> "right_mouth_drop" ) || !V_strcmp( szName, "left_mouth_drop" ) ) >>>> { >>>> if( GetClientVoiceMgr()->IsPlayerSpeaking( >>>> pHL2MPPlayer->entindex() ) || ( pHL2MPPlayer->IsLocalPlayer() && >>>> GetClientVoiceMgr()->IsLocalPlayerSpeaking() ) ) >>>> pHL2MPPlayer->SetFlexWeight( i, clamp( m_fVoice * 2, 0, 2 ) ); >>>> else pHL2MPPlayer->SetFlexWeight( i, 0 ); >>>> } >>>> } >>>> >>>> m_fVoiceTimeout = gpGlobals->curtime + 0.2f; >>>> >>>> I hope this helps you figure out how to do whatever you're trying to >>>> archive >>>> >>>> On 08.05.2013 10:23, Garry Newman wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't think it's exposed to modders. I had to add engine code to get >>>> it in G(arry's )Mod. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Jesse F <jesf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was hoping someone might be able to help me out. I'd like access to >>>>> info about the waveforms sent by people using in game voice. I'd mainly >>>>> like to know how loud they are speaking (or some similar average value) >>>>> and >>>>> I'd like to be able to keep a list updated with which players are >>>>> speaking. >>>>> My initial search through the code for this functionality didn't turn up >>>>> much. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jesse >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please >>>> visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >> > > > -- > Jesse > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > >
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