"The overall goal for the pure server mode is to give game server administrators the option to enforce a consistent playing field for all players."
That's all we've wanted for years and years. I for one am very happy. Jason -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Gray Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:29 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Pure Server Mode Question / Request Chris, seriously, what do you have stuck up your ass. You're complaining about something that only betters the community and provides a more level playing field. This update has no relation to 'vanilla' servers, so I don't know why you keep referring to that idea. The overall goal for the pure server mode is to give game server administrators the option to enforce a consistent playing field for all players. On 4/30/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Its just so simple > > All those idiots at Valve should have done this years ago in HL1 !!! > > Truly!! > > On 5/2/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Please can you give us a date for that update. There was one like that > > ages > > ago, but it won't check the vmt files. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NaughtyGeek > > Sent: 30 April 2007 14:28 > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Pure Server Mode Question / Request > > > > I'm quite certain that you can set it to check against server content, > > source content or nothing at all. > > > > > > "Server can now force the client to match the server's files." > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > OK, 5% was a bit generous. How about 1% then? > > > > > > Or would you like to "educate" me as to how many servers out there are > > pure > > > vanilla? Because if you take away the match servers it's next to > > nothing. > > > > > > Again, we have the vanilla fans attacking the plugin community, using > > the > > > old "But surely we have to protect ourselves against cheaters" line. > > > > > > Bullshit. > > > > > > It's easy for them (VALVe) to code for the client to be consistent with > > the > > > server. Hell it was done before, but like everything else useful written > > by > > > the independent plugin community, it was broken with a Valve update - > > which > > > no one minds, if only VALVe would listen to the community and run a > > freakin > > > beta program. > > > > > > So why the talk around here of a pure mode which only checks for > > consistency > > > of Valve content? > > > > > > I'll tell why. > > > > > > Because a very small number of people, want a world where only server > > > operators running vanilla Source, to be able to keep out the cheaters, > > > leaving all the custom servers questionable, so that the only the > > vanilla > > > servers get packed out each night. > > > > > > If you really want to stop the cheaters and you want a pure gaming > > > experience at the expense of functionality then just disconnect yourself > > > from the internet and play either your friends on a LAN or some bots. > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 30 April 2007 13:44 > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Pure Server Mode Question / Request > > > > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > 5% ??? > > > > > > Why do the consistency check at all? hmmm...maybe because of all the > > > hackers out there? > > > Maybe because of online leagues, cpl, and other lans that people go to > > and > > > want to compete fairly? > > > I agree that special mods and plugins help break up the boredom from > > time > > to > > > time with the vanilla package. > > > And it seems to me that valve is willing to work around some of those > > > although it does mean a bit of work and thought for server operators. > > > But please...educate yourself on the community before you throw out > > baseless > > > random statistics. > > > > > > If you don't like the pure mod being offered...turn it off maybe and > > don't > > > worry about it. > > > Unless you are worried about the 5% of gamers that won't come to your > > server > > > anymore... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:13:17 AM > > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Pure Server Mode Question / Request > > > > > > If it's to only enforce the original resources provided by Steam and not > > the > > > server operator, then it's a complete and utter total waste of time > > then, > > > unless you are one of those very, very vocal 5%ers, who are trying to > > force > > > the vanilla game on the rest of us of course...(I don't believe you are > > by > > > the way). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roman Hatsiev > > > Sent: 28 April 2007 07:19 > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Pure Server Mode Question / Request > > > > > > I think that the idea behind pure server mode is to force the > > > consistency of original resources delivered via Steam, not to prevent > > > people from using custom maps. > > > > > > On 28/04/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you want a pure server, don't install anything on top. > > > > > > > > There is no need for Valve to do anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keeper > > > > Sent: 27 April 2007 15:54 > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Pure Server Mode Question / Request > > > > > > > > Quoted from the whitelist: > > > > > > > > // > > > > // Three types of file specifications: > > > > // > > > > // 1. directory\*.* - refers to all files under the > > directory > > > > // 2. directory\... - refers to all files under the > > directory > > > > and all directories under that (recursively) > > > > // 3. directory\filename - refers to a single file > > > > > > > > Best way and easiest would be to do the second one. > > > > > > > > Like they show: > > > > > > > > // > > > > // By default, when in pure server mode, most content file types are > > > only > > > > allowed to come from Steam. > > > > // > > > > materials\... from_steam > > > > models\... from_steam > > > > sounds\... from_steam > > > > scripts\... from_steam > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Will > > > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:23 AM > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Pure Server Mode Question / Request > > > > > > > > could you be so kind to point out how that could be done without > > listing > > > the > > > > 8,837 files in 273 folders in a whitelist? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:27 AM > > > > Subject: hlds digest, Vol 1 #5351 - 2 msgs > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send hlds mailing list submissions to > > > > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > > > than "Re: Contents of hlds digest..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Pure Server Mode Question / Request (Will) > > > > > 2. Re: Pure Server Mode Question / Request (Wim Barelds) > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > > > From: "Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:59:24 -0400 > > > > > Subject: [hlds] Pure Server Mode Question / Request > > > > > Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > > > > > > We want to lock all default game content to use only steam files, > > > > > everything > > > > > no "replacement" allowed at all for default game content. > > > > > We run servers that plays many default maps but also many custom > > maps, > > > we > > > > > want to allow files from disk only for custom maps with the crc > > checks > > > as > > > > > there will be no steam files for these. Will this be possible or are > > we > > > > > left > > > > > out of all this by running custom maps? > > > > > > > > > > Can there be a var for all default content from Steam but allow > > files > > > from > > > > > disk with crc for content that was not delivered from Steam? > > > > > if in steam use steam if not use from disk and crc > > > > > > > > > > Looking at the whitelist I don't see a way to do this without adding > > all > > > > > the > > > > > files for 150 custom maps file by file to the whitelist, many custom > > map > > > > > files do not path to /custommapname/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a viewable var for this"? > > > > > I would think many league and community type servers would want to > > run > > > in > > > > > such a mode, with a viewable var so it can be checked by players in > > game > > > > > or > > > > > hlsw. > > > > > I think the viewable vars is important to remove suspicion. > > > > > sv_pure 0/1/2 > > > > > say 2 for default = use whitelist > > > > > say 1 From Steam only for all default files and > > > allow_from_disk+check_crc > > > > > for any non steam content > > > > > 0 off > > > > > > > > > > I recall awhile back you saying you were going to look into removing > > > some > > > > > unneeded vars from the server query, can you please make room in the > > > > > server > > > > > query for vars from plugins by removing some like: > > > > > r_VehicleViewDampen > > > > > r_JeepViewDampenFreq > > > > > r_JeepViewDampenDamp > > > > > r_JeepViewZHeight > > > > > r_AirboatViewDampenFreq > > > > > r_AirboatViewDampenDamp > > > > > r_AirboatViewZHeight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:28:25 +0200 > > > > > From: "Wim Barelds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Pure Server Mode Question / Request > > > > > Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > > > You should be able to do most of what you want simply by modifying > > the > > > > > whitelist. > > > > > > > > > > On 4/27/07, Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> We want to lock all default game content to use only steam files, > > > > >> everything > > > > >> no "replacement" allowed at all for default game content. > > > > >> We run servers that plays many default maps but also many custom > > maps, > > > we > > > > >> want to allow files from disk only for custom maps with the crc > > checks > > > as > > > > >> there will be no steam files for these. Will this be possible or > > are > > we > > > > >> left > > > > >> out of all this by running custom maps? > > > > >> > > > > >> Can there be a var for all default content from Steam but allow > > files > > > > >> from > > > > >> disk with crc for content that was not delivered from Steam? > > > > >> if in steam use steam if not use from disk and crc > > > > >> > > > > >> Looking at the whitelist I don't see a way to do this without > > adding > > > all > > > > >> the > > > > >> files for 150 custom maps file by file to the whitelist, many > > custom > > > map > > > > >> files do not path to /custommapname/ > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Also a viewable var for this"? > > > > >> I would think many league and community type servers would want to > > run > > > in > > > > >> such a mode, with a viewable var so it can be checked by players in > > > game > > > > >> or > > > > >> hlsw. > > > > >> I think the viewable vars is important to remove suspicion. > > > > >> sv_pure 0/1/2 > > > > >> say 2 for default = use whitelist > > > > >> say 1 From Steam only for all default files and > > > allow_from_disk+check_crc > > > > >> for any non steam content > > > > >> 0 off > > > > >> > > > > >> I recall awhile back you saying you were going to look into > > removing > > > some > > > > >> unneeded vars from the server query, can you please make room in > > the > > > > >> server > > > > >> query for vars from plugins by removing some like: > > > > >> r_VehicleViewDampen > > > > >> r_JeepViewDampenFreq > > > > >> r_JeepViewDampenDamp > > > > >> r_JeepViewZHeight > > > > >> r_AirboatViewDampenFreq > > > > >> r_AirboatViewDampenDamp > > > > >> r_AirboatViewZHeight > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Thank you > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > > >> please visit: > > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > >> > 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