The achievement/stats system was never meant to be super secure. If you people would read the damn blog post, they explain that it uses steam player data, so you could only fake how long you personally are connected to a server... which is the same as just joining and leaving a server really quick!
The only thing valve needs to make sure of is that they're not counting the same player more than once/day per server. Because i could spam 9000 connect attempts through steam in a few seconds. - Neph On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:44 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > If this system is as well thought-out as the current Achievement/Stats > system then attacking servers should not be so hard. Not sure what effect it > would have though. > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Donnie Newlove > <donnie.newl...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> That would only make the big servers even bigger and even be >> beneficial to servers running fake clients and lying just to lure in >> players. But at the same time, attacking servers to manipulate their >> rank could be a very real problem. >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:26 AM, SmOoThEm <ad...@righttorule.com> wrote: >> > You guys are missing the point here, and it's going to be a big problem. >> > >> > Let's say I get 15 people to join a server and then leave just because I >> > don’t like the owners etc. >> > There goes 225 points from the server for no reason at all. I can see >> people >> > like mygot getting servers delisted even if it only counts each player >> once >> > per month. Also when a player joins a server and gets kicked for a >> reserve >> > slot or cause of the steambans plugin this will really trash a server >> score >> > because the player is actually connected before getting kicked. >> > >> > Taking away points is a horrible idea, but giving points based upon play >> > time really has potential. I can see where this idea is going but >> removing >> > servers that people pay for from the list just because it isn't popular >> is >> > bullshit. Everyone has to start somewhere and it takes a lot of work to >> get >> > a new server full of regular returning players. Before valve does >> anything >> > like this they need to consult the community! I don’t think valve really >> > understands how much money is spent each year from organizations to >> provide >> > servers for the games they create. Personally we spend thousands. If they >> > would do something like this to benefit the server owners and the players >> at >> > the same time it would prevail a success and actually give merit to >> > established servers. >> > A better idea would be allowing servers in the list to be sorted by their >> > score and not just by names, pings, players, etc. This way no one is >> > de-listed and the same effect is obtained for the players. >> > >> > TALK TO US VALVE, DON’T JUST LEAVE US OUT TO DRY!!!!!! >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Newlove >> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:47 PM >> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Blog Post: Server Scoring >> > >> > If if is a global problem and not only a server problem then it would >> > not matter because every server would be penalised for it and since a >> > rank will only mean anything when compared to other servers it should >> > not matter. >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:36 AM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hmm connection time... So clients dropped by steam/vac connection issues >> >> will give negative points too? :D >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Octo <octodhd_h...@monkeyrings.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >>> Oh this is great news =) >> >>> >> >>> As long as theres not a way to game this to force the delist of a >> > competing >> >>> community. I'll assume they only count a steamid's vote once for a >> > server >> >>> in a large time frame, so that flapping clients wont cause a huge point >> >>> hit. >> >>> >> >>> Now if only you gave a vanilla server bonus.... >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:14:24AM +1100, Andrew Armstrong wrote: >> >>> > Check out http://teamfortress.com/ >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > "One of the things we've been thinking about for a while now is how >> to >> >>> > improve the player experience around finding a server to play on" >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > . >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > "After kicking around some proposals, we came up with a simple system >> >>> built >> >>> > around the theory that player time on a server is a useful metric for >> > how >> >>> > happy the player is with that server." >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > "The very worst servers attract a large number of connections, mostly >> >>> > because they're lying in ways that make them look like a very >> > attractive >> >>> > server at all times." >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > "Our first step in improving this part of the player experience has >> > been >> >>> to >> >>> > delist all the really bad servers. The master server will simply stop >> >>> giving >> >>> > these to you when you fire up the serverbrowser. After that, we're >> > going >> >>> to >> >>> > keep improving our ability to measure this kind of problem." >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > This sounds very cool, and I look forward to see what Valve can come >> up >> >>> with >> >>> > in using these stats. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > - Andrew >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
