Lollypop? On 6/1/09, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > What are you talking about? I'm refering to the VAC for people who cheat > the system. > > > On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 15:35 -0400, Neil Voutt wrote: >> Honeypot? >> >> >> Neil Voutt - Administrator >> http://www.neilvoutt.com >> http://www.ipoststupidshit.com >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Anyone want to guess my opinion on the matter? >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 15:07 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: >> > > This. >> > > >> > > I imagine the purpose of the VAC system is to stop cheats that give an >> > > unfair advantage. Idling in a server, be it by minimised official >> > > client >> > > or third-party client is no different. It's still idling. Not to >> > > mention >> > > the fact that even if VALVe wanted to design the system to block/ban >> > > this particular client, they couldn't, as the server it connects to is >> > > not VAC secure (probably for exactly that reason, they aren't >> > > pretending >> > > to be a legitimate way to play the game). >> > > >> > > People are creating a storm in a teacup about this, it's a very small >> > > percentage of a very large player base that use it. And even then this >> > > whole argument is a moot point, as achievements are now grindable >> > > again >> > > to gain unlocks (YAY!). >> > > >> > > /thread >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________________ >> > > >> > > Shane Arnold - [email protected] >> > > >> > > "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, >> > > the >> > horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of >> > a >> > messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered >> > message >> > the war was lost." >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > tgnwells wrote: >> > > > It's not really any different than running TF2 in an idling server >> > > > and >> > > > minimizing the window, I wouldn't say it's very honest but I >> > > > wouldn't >> > > > really classify it as a cheat. >> > > > >> > > > And VACs main purpose is protecting the game process, I don't think >> > > > you >> > > > could get VAC banned from just manipulating the Steam API to perform >> > > > simple tricks like this unless you do it from within the game, while >> > > > connected to a VAC secured server. Although it seems possible if you >> > > > were to try to connect to a legitimate (VAC enabled) server using >> > > > what >> > > > would appear to be a phony client that VAC might flag your account, >> > > > although I think it'd most likely just refuse the connection. >> > > > >> > > > On 5/31/2009 4:01 PM, SakeFox wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> I really shouldn't be starting in on this since I really want this >> > > >> thread to die, but by your logic using a application to let me see >> > > >> through walls to improve my performance is no difference then using >> > > >> custom materials that let me see through wall for better >> > > >> performance. >> > > >> >> > > >> Donnie Newlove wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> In the end the only difference between idling in your app or >> > > >>> idling >> > in >> > > >>> TF2 is RAM, CPU and if not minimized, GPU used. It's no more >> > > >>> cheating >> > > >>> than running TF2 in DX8 mode to get better performance. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Cc2iscooL<[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> Seeing as it mimics idling in a server even though you're not >> > > >>>> idling >> > in a >> > > >>>> server it could be considered a cheat. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> You're not actually running a game. You're using a program to >> > emulate the >> > > >>>> game's function of connecting to a server. As far as I'm >> > > >>>> concerned >> > that >> > > >>>> seems like cheating to me. It's like editing your punch times at >> > work to say >> > > >>>> you were working when you really took the day off instead, and >> > you're still >> > > >>>> getting paid. While you can't really get in trouble if you have >> > nothing to >> > > >>>> do all day at work, you can get in trouble for editing your time >> > sheet to >> > > >>>> say you were at work when you actually weren't. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> iGiggled >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> -- >> > > >>>> Cc2iscooL >> > > >>>> Head Admin/Owner >> > > >>>> http://www.cc2iscool.com >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Philip Bembridge< >> > [email protected] >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>>> wrote: >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after >> > > >>>>> the >> > weapon >> > > >>>>> drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to >> > > >>>>> the >> > crit >> > > >>>>> calculation!! >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a >> > server? >> > > >>>>> then >> > > >>>>> sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you >> > > >>>>> going >> > to strip >> > > >>>>> their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other >> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > archives, >> > > >>>>> please visit: >> > > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > archives, please visit: >> > > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > archives, please visit: >> > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > > >> archives, >> > please visit: >> > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > > > archives, >> > please visit: >> > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >
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