I don't think Ads are the only reason QP was implemented, you
need to keep in mind the QP beta came before Pinion ever did.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek
<proph...@sticed.org <mailto:proph...@sticed.org>> wrote:
Well, ads are part of the union, if you like it or not. Not
saying those people can go to hell (right now), but
transparency is why quickplay exists and lack of transparency
is why community gameplay is excluded. I've heard a lot of
people saying I can go screw myself because the players can
choose if they want to join their server and consume ads or
not. (On this very list) Well, let them.
But yes, current quickplay restrictions are also about popups
and motd abusing as you can read in the article. So yeah, if
your motd would be so loud it would physically hurt my ears,
get it fixed. lol (Or these caffeine ads with the shock
moments, but on roids)
On 19.12.2015 03:43, Cats From Above wrote:
I agree with Matthias regarding the 80/20 rule. If we put
this situation into DreamWorks parlance and remember he film
Shrek, what we're dealing with here is an onion and onions
have layers. Obviously, the token system is not a silver
bullet and that was the point in my highlighting the
inherent weaknesses of that system. This doesn't mean that
the token system should be discarded, but rather, we should
also discuss other feasible ways of preventing and detecting
servers violating Valve's rules to help bolster the overall
solution. Some may have forgotten that is was the actions of
a minority of servers that got community servers relegated
to the background in the first place - If what community
owners have to say is believed. To leave room for a minority
to get away with doing the wrong thing this time around is,
I fear, to invite the same end result in the future.
Further, I would simply point out that no one is suggesting
in the present conversation that Valve wants to kill
community servers entirely. Now, my views on that are well
known, but it's not an argument I'm peddling right here and
now. Hence perhaps we could refrain from edging on the
verges of hyperbole. And again, surreptitiously blurring
this discussion into one about the validity of using
advertisements to fund servers and what notice should be
given thereof is not helpful top the topic of discussion.
I'm pretty sure that if I had a loud and obnoxious video
intro to my community on my servers MOTD, Matthias would not
expect my server to be tagged as
"loudandannoyingmotdstaythef***away" - Hence his issue with
advertising is not the fact adverts make sound, but rather
the fact that it's a funding source for communities other
than his own.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin"
Kollek <proph...@sticed.org <mailto:proph...@sticed.org>> wrote:
I get your concern, but with reasonable limitations this
should follow the 80/20 rule.
If you want a perfect solution for every single possible
offense and catch every sneaky sob then life really
isn't for you.
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