Ok, your situation makes a little more sense and in the short term I can see how this might complicate things but you seem to be under the impression that this is the final word on the change. Valve has shown time and time again that they like to tweak things and mess with stuff. Just because it's slow now doesn't mean it will be slow forever and you might as well shut down your entire network of servers while you're at it.
It's been less than a week (less than a few days really). Remember when the store was first announced? What about when they started added random drops? Or what about when scrap used to cost 3 weapons? Getting angry at TF2 for a change seems kind of counter-productive, the game never sits still long enough to make final judgments on. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <mreeu...@yahoo.com>wrote: > You're right, I'm talking events where admins take wagers from the > participants (most often scrap up to a reclaimed per participant, only > sometimes more, but everybody pays up the same per event) or donated by > one of the ppl on the server. The winner > (highest/furthest jumper/last survivor etc) of it gets all of it. (nope, > no cut > for the admins). > > We sponsor them, we take wagers for them, or let someone donate to host a > event. ASBO even did unusuals as winnings for it with multiple events > to find a winner to it. > > Things like mass spycrabbing with 30 ppl, high jumping as > soldier/demo/engineer, pyro fighting with the powerjacks etc. Search on > Youtube for ASBOgaming events, think you then get quick idea of how this > kind of "events" go. > > That along the way also some normal trading happens, sure. > > But I hope you understand now why fast trading is required for it. For > wager events require all participants to trade the wager to the admin. > > Prophunt, VSH etc I would call more a gametype (like payload, CTF, Arena, > etc), as it doesn't really need a admin orchestrating it. There servers out > there that do that 24/7 without intervention. I do understand that you > created a public for your server(s) to organize such plays, nice, for that > makes a regular crowd and knowing each cross gametypes etc. > > > >________________________________ > > From: Ross Bemrose <rbemr...@vgmusic.com> > >To: Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <mreeu...@yahoo.com>; Half-Life dedicated Linux > server mailing list <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > >Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012, 22:25 > >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Steam Trading user/server issues > > > > > >You and I have an entirely different idea of what constitutes an event. > > > >To me, an event is some special activity the people on my server > arranged. For instance, we regularly switch one of our servers over to > either Prop Hunt or Vs. Saxton Hale. Around Halloween, we have one server > running nothing but Halloween maps. We schedule these via our Steam group > so our regulars know when they're going to happen. > > > >Oh, and none of these have any sort of entrance fee; they're just there > so we can have fun. And these changes have no effect on this. > > > > > >On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <mreeu...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > > >>well, this will be the end for event servers, for the admins simply are > not going to spend 2-3 minutes or more per person to take on the wagers for > a event, a 20 person event can will take in preparations more then 40 > minutes. > >> > >>at least in-game trading was fast. Allowed quick switching to the game > without crashing (with the steam overlay, crashing the steam overlay) The > steam trading is simply too slow for this, for every time it needs to > download for the browser all the info, pictures etc, while in-game this is > all already available in the game. In such long timeframe > crashes/disconnects of people and admins become a much bigger issue. > >> > >>Our event server is empty, also ASBO's servers, EE's too I read, not > sure on OBC's server, or others. > >> > >>Simply having a option for very fast trading within a 20-30 second frame > is required for this. Steam trading just takes a minute or more to load, > and fails over half the time to initialise. > >> > >>Also, as a argument, any game that has trading, has internal trading > options. Having extra a external one is not always there. I find it quite > strange tho kill off the internal trading in favor of a external one. > >> > >> > >> > >>>________________________________ > >>> From: doc <drga...@gmail.com> > >>>To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list < > hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>>Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012, 20:00 > >> > >>>Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Steam Trading user/server issues > >>> > >> > >>>I'm going to be one of "those guys" and say please Valve do not listen > to > >>>this person. Using the steam overlay to do trades right kind of stinks > but > >>>it's better than the in-game trading interface when you take into > >>>consideration the flexibility the overlay has. Sometimes I want to be > able > >>>to trade some metal for someone else's game they have in their > inventory. > >>> > >>>Why would you turn down more options and flexibility? > >>> > >>> > >>>On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Frank <ad...@gamerscrib.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> This post is by far the most relevant > >>>> to server administration that I've yet to start on this mailing list > to not > >>>> only vent frustration but to inform Valve that I'm likely to pull my > >>>> servers > >>>> from this game and leave it all behind if old interface is not > returned. > >>> > >>> > >>>Also, really? > >>>You'd pull all your servers because of how the TRADING changed? Man > there > >>>can't be much keeping you tied to Team Fortress 2 if that's the straw > that > >>>breaks the camel's back. As a server administrator I can't say trading > >>>impacts my administrative capabilities or activities one iota. It's not > >>>changing the gameplay (unless meta-games are now considered essential > bits > >>>of TF2) and if your entire "community" is bitching at you then you need > to > >>>inform your community to talk to Valve - it's not as if you turned on > this > >>>change. > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >>>https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >>https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
