Indeed. As a (medium-sized) community we don't run pinion because we despise it as much as the clients. That said, I completely support the right of server ops to use ads (legitimately) in an attempt to recover operating costs. I also support the rights of clients to block the ads, though. Ops pay for servers and can do with them as they see fit, and clients pay for their internet connection/bandwidth, and can do with the bits servers send them as they see fit.
I agree that a lot of people don't realize the costs and amount of work that goes into running a community TF2 server. (In fact, this image sums up the menality quite nicely: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38481337/servers.png) It'd be interesting if someone organized a TF2 blackout day like they did with SOPA to squash this mentality and educate folks what TF2 would be like if there weren't any folks investing time and money to run community servers. Then again, it'd probably fall on deaf ears from the 'HURR DURR BUT I PAID FOR TF2/TF2 IS FREE' crowd. ________________________________ From: Frank <ad...@gamerscrib.net> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:44:15 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Mandatory Team Fortress 2 update released They clearly listened to SPUF and all its crying over having to watch a few seconds of ads to support well managed servers they enjoyed playing. I'm surprised a few comments didn't include most of them thinking money grows on trees or falls from the sky like rain drops. A lesson in simple economics I think is needed to teach most of those kids the facts of life and the understanding that running these servers are NOT free and the money has to come from some place. As for uses well that's collateral damage to Valve whom again obviously only listened to the crying that went on within SPUF. -----Original Message----- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Bjorn Wielens Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 7:39 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Mandatory Team Fortress 2 update released I agree the implemented solution is not acceptable when there are better alternatives. We use MOTD panels for 3 main things: 1. General server/community info, and a list of our other servers (default MOTD). 2. Rules - accessed by typing "!rules". We also have a plugin that displays this panel to players when admins issue them warnings or timeouts for rule violations. 3. Donate information panel. Also accessed only on request (!donate or something like that) 4.Radio (but not relevant since it's donators only). I think if a confirmation dialog is implemented, it should also have an option for a short text string that lets the user see WHY the server wants to display a MOTD to them. e.g. "This server is trying to show you a MOTD for: Server Rules" or "This server is trying to show you a MOTD for: Sourcetunes Radio". Do you wish to view it? I'm surprised valve went ahead and implemented the solution they did, given the extensive discussion in the list about disabling MOTDs (before it went to pot). _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
