I agree with you for the most part, but I feel the need to address a couple of things.
- Quickplay is supposed to be as vanilla as possible, yes. I don't really like the idea of Dynamic Slots being used to trick players or the Quickplay system, but Valve has outright said that they're not going to do anything about it at this time. That's essentially a "We're not going to do anything about it, but that doesn't mean that we like it" response. So the re-listing of servers was okay. - Advertisements don't really affect the "vanilla" experience of the game (besides perhaps the waiting time cutting into Setup time, which should be addressed, in my opinion). If a Quickplay server has ads on it, then whatever. I'm thinking Pinion ought to take steps to make sure that the Setup time is still usable (perhaps I'll write some code and send them a pull request). - Although the idea of "people will vote with their feet" makes sense, it's apparently too complex for some people to click the Disconnect button and go elsewhere, causing petitions to arise on SPUF asking Valve to do anything from preventing the MOTD from being reopened to outright banning the principle of forced waiting times. People *should* vote with their feet, but there are entirely too many lazy people in this world who can't be bothered to click Disconnect and find another server. Doctor McKay http://www.doctormckay.com mc...@doctormckay.com On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM, eueln <eue...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2013, at 7:00 AM, Essay Tew Phaun <sc2p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > You won't get a straight answer to your first question because it's > > impossible to have one. Instead, he'll wait a few weeks and type up a few > > paragraphs that don't even address that very relevant question. "If it > was > > breaking the rules, why were the servers re-listed?" > > I believe you missed the part where months ago dan helped clarify what > Fletcher obviously meant, in that server owners using that particular > plugin were using a "perverse optimal strategy," and that by reading > between the lines, that those admins were perverse in their usage of said > plugins. The servers were re-listed because what they had previously > established was that they'd be "straying into a gray area" to remove those > servers from the list. > > Further, the entirety of his well-thought-out message was ignored as him > just being "ignorant." Here, let me repeat his points in a condensed manner > (sorry dan if I get some of these wrong) so it hopefully won't be ignored > again: > > - Quickplay is supposed to be as vanilla as possible. People choosing to > join Quickplay aren't expecting your mods, your advertisements, your > anything. They're expecting a vanilla experience (hence the limit on tags). > Stop making Quickplay anything other than that, and stop believing you're > entitled to Quickplay traffic if you're not providing a vanilla experience. > > - Take your Quickplay servers down if you "need" to put advertisements on > them. There are an abundance of genuinely vanilla servers that will happily > receive that traffic and lead to happier players. You shouldn't be running > Quickplay servers if you can't afford them. > > - You can do whatever you want with your non-Quickplay servers. Put ads on > them. Mod them all you want. People will "vote with their feet." > > > > It's sad because I don't even think he's trolling, he's just that > ignorant. > > We removed the plugins because I personally don't like the idea that we > may > > accidentally have all of our servers de-listed.. > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:24 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> How was he correctly de-listed if valve reversed it? It was a bug. > >> > >> The problem was that valve changed it so the tag doesn't get set > >> immediately. Running a plugin like that is fine but you need to monitor > the > >> tags to make sure they get set. > >> No de-listing happened since then and more servers are bringing it back. > >> > >> You just can not rely on the built in function anymore to avoid > de-listing, > >> you NEED to make sure the tags are set immediately and you will be OK. > >> > >> Like valve said, it would be "straying into the grey area" for them to > >> de-list such servers and they re-listed the ones they got last time due > to > >> that bug. > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:11 PM, dan <needa...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> > >>> On 04/04/2013 06:41, Essay Tew Phaun wrote: > >>> > >>>> Now can you finally put that other thread to rest and admit you were > >>>> wrong? > >>>> The servers that didn't have their tags updated were mistakenly > >> delisted. > >>>> I > >>>> don't know how anyone can have a conversation with you if you can't > even > >>>> read and comprehend what Fletcher point blank said. > >>>> > >>> > >>> You were correctly delisted and the plugin you used that caused the > >>> delisting no longer exists on your server. > >>> > >>> if you're still unsure of that, put the plugin back and see what > happens > >>> to your servers. > >>> > >>> As I said, the relevance to this thread is that you squealed like a > stuck > >>> pig when you were taken to task and now you're suggesting they delist > >>> others. > >>> > >>> If you want good features stop abusing them. You cannot moan about > Valve > >>> removing features that are abused when you abused them yourself. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Dan. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> https://list.valvesoftware. > **com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux< > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
