Ultimately its about appearances. If your players feel they are playing in a cheater free environment they likely will comeback. I like to use SMAC as a selling point since its the most even handed way to handle it. In fact the only reason I run servers is because Lotus arbitrarily banned me and a friend after we abused some obnoxious clan members and they decided a 1 min video was all the proof they needed. My first 50 players came immediately from their servers. I do believe they use SMAC as well now. This was a long time ago.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fountain" <savsi...@gmail.com> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:42:55 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass. Completely of topic and no I agree that smac is good. I however don't use it. The band ice made are highly obvious. As in guns that go from head to head super fat lol one even 360'd single shot in the head lol I was like ya. ...... Smac auto bands are pretty accurate and I have no issues with those bans. What im talking about are the admins that call every player who kills them a hacker because "there is no possible way you made that shot legit" That's what I mean. I also flush my ban lay every new year lol SavSin On Oct 24, 2013 12:33 AM, "Todd Pettit" <pettit.t...@gmail.com> wrote: > I prefer to use sourcemod anti-cheat to automatically ban name changers, > aimbots, wallhacking, speed hacks, etc. > Admins are mostly unburdened by this task and only have to focus on > griefers and ragers. If you don't employ some kind of method of detecting > these hacks then you are the one banning players on a whim. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Fountain" <savsi...@gmail.com> > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 2:37:08 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass. > > More toned than not people call someone a cheater simply because they don't > understand how they were seen because they didn't see their attacker. > > If you ask me. Make your own server and ban who you don't want playing. > Simple as that then no one can bitch when your servers empty because you're > ban happy lol > > SavSin > On Oct 23, 2013 10:48 PM, "Todd Pettit" <pettit.t...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > One cheater is one too many. One cheater with name changer, aimbot and > > speed hack can clear out a server in minutes. Most cheaters prefer to be > > more subtle and use wallhacks and if you are not using SMAC or something > > else than you have no clue how many there are but I can damn well > guarantee > > you have more than one. I thought the same thing till I installed SMAC. I > > suspected a few players but I caught hundreds within days. If you aren't > > checking for cheaters you have cheaters and any cheaters is too many. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "dan" <needa...@ntlworld.com> > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:06:12 AM > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass. > > > > On 21/10/2013 16:46, 1nsane wrote: > > > It did happen. There was a noticeable increase in hackers, especially > on > > > servers that don't have admins on all the time. Such as valve's own. > > > > Valve's EU servers are certainly not havens for cheaters ime. > > > > There are a few cheaters but it's a tiny percentage. > > > > It's not even one cheater per server. If it was then I wouldn't be able > > play the game > > (i.e if a cheater joins I find another server. But if every server had > > just one cheater on it > > then I couldn't do that - there'd be literally nowhere to play) > > > > And that has never happened. I've never had to search for a server that > > didn't have a cheater on it. > > I've never even done something like jump to 3 or 4 different servers > > because they've all had > > cheaters on. Most days I don't see any. > > > > So, if we focus on 24 man servers for a second we can conclude the number > > of > > cheaters on 24 man servers is probably less than 1/24 of the player base > - > > and I would argue significantly less than that. > > > > See, I don't think people care about it that much. In most activities > > people > > generally want to get better at it. You see a group of guitar players > > or pianists and they want to get better. People that draw pictures > > usually do it to get better at it. Gamers, in general, are not > > interested in getting better. They crave mediocrity. > > > > If you're below mediocre, to them "you're a noob" but > > if you're better than average they'll hate you for it. > > > > Why would anyone with that mindset cheat? And it's the mindset, I'd say, > > of at least 90% > > of the TF2 pub community. They are happy being crap at the game > > and will often say things to that extent like "I only play for fun" or > > "No one's > > interested in capping the point / capturing the intel / what the score > is" > > > > They want roughly to be on par with the other players. They want to blame > > the weapon / class / lag for every death and they want everyone to > > crave the same level of mediocrity they have reached and then stopped > > at once they reached it. > > > > As a few of you have noted cheating is cheap (it's always been cheap, > > it's just cheaper now) and it's trivial > > and easy to do (to the point where calling it hacking seems ridiculous. > > That would make someone who flushes the toilet > > after having a dump a hydro engineer or something) > > > > Yet, self-evidently, few choose to do it. Indeed, you want this feature > > because you want > > to ban what is effectively the same guy creating lots of accounts for > > himself. > > That in itself suggests that cheating is not rife. > > > > Because if lots of people cheated then it wouldn't matter if you could > > stop one person > > from creating numerous accounts or not. It would be like banning a bad > > driver from > > the roads. Which makes no real difference because there are literally > > millions of incompetent drivers > > and more join the roads every year. > > > > If there was a high percentage of cheaters you may > > as well just switch all the servers off (of course, at that stage, if > > you really do > > have tens of thousands of cheaters you have to ask questions about the > > game, why people don't > > want to play it to get better at it, but more importantly why they care > > about pretending to be good at it > > which is, as I've said, certainly not the case for the vast majority of > > TF2 players) > > > > That said, maybe I'm lucky. My current stats say I've played 92 hours in > > the last > > 2 weeks, of which around half are TF2 (it's usually more than half but > with > > family sharing I've been playing a bunch of other games) so I play a lot > > but I still only experience a small percentage of servers. > > > > As I said some of you may be attracting people who want to grief and > > cheat or wind you up > > specifically but I can't imagine how such an erudite and polite group of > > people could have upset > > anybody, can you? So that can't be it. > > > > I think perhaps it's partly cultural too. Especially the griefing thing. > > > > As for child predators?!?! I can't see how that works. TF2 doesn't have > > any way > > of talking to one person on the server does it? Steam does I suppose but > > game bans won't really help. Do Americans really join TF2 servers and > > broadcast in chat > > or over the mic "Hey, anyone want to see some puppies?" > > > > -- > > Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
