>> I think you're underestimating normal people, James.

> Bear with me please.

With you -- always.

> It's worth noting that in the vast majority of cases like you describe,
> the CE router provided by the ISP is only serviceable by the provider, or
> if it *is* serviceable by the subscriber, the serviceability is
> ridiculously tortuous and very limited.

Uh-huh.  But there's just one single uplink behind which there's a local
network with multiple hosts -- unlike the one uplink-one host topology you
were describing in your earlier mail.

>> At least over here, there definitely is a market for non-trivial home
>> networks

> Indeed, and I think there is definitely a case for IETF establishing
> standards for how to use Internet protocols in them, as HOMENET is
> doing. What I don't think is helpful is gating our development of those
> standards on the predicate that ISPs should have anything to do with
> it.

Agreed, as long as we don't assume normal people want one uplink per host.

-- Juliusz

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