Strauss 1 for the future first horns & off course, as you mentioned, Beethovens op.17 & Mozart no.1 & 3 for the others. Thank you very much for your friendly letter. =====================================================
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Pappal Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:22 AM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] F horn/Bb horn This is fascinating advice, Professor. May I (respectfully) ask why Strauss 1 as a test piece? In my studio, I've been using Mozart 1 & 3, "concert rondo" and Beethoven Sonata as my "test pieces" before allowing a student to study Bb horn. I can't think of any other "plan of study" as complete or thorough as the plan outlined in the "Vienna study plan" on your website. I've done my best to create something similar to it with my own studio. I was judging horn auditions for a local university "honors band" today. The repertoire was Mozart 1. Terrible to see how nearly ALL the young players held the thumb valve down the whole time. Where is the F horn sound - the horn's going to turn into a trombone soon? F horn makes some passages in sharps so much easier in my experience. All you B-flatters: Try the last B-A#-B-C#-B-C#-D-C# (in sixteenths in the Mozart 1) on Bb horn, and on F horn. Its so much easier on the longer horn, with no finger contortions. I was really lucky. I had a horn teacher who insisted that I know every alternate fingering on both sides of the horn, and the reasons for using various fingerings. I never use an "arbitrary swith point" when playing, and neither do my students! Scott --- Hans Pizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I dont think this a good idea, as all horn players > should be firm in > using both sides of the horn in all ranges to take > advantage of better > tuned notes of both sides, better sound, easier > arpeggios, easier & > precise attack, etc. > > Yes, I agree, that starting the students on the > Bb-side would result in > less cracked notes, but just for a while. But it > will be terrible > difficult to teach the BB-beginners the right tone > quality later by > using the F-side then. The "malaise" will be then > for sure. And > Bb-beginners will complain about the difficulty > fingering #-tonalities, > life long complain, life long squeezed fingers. > > So there is just one solution to reach the top > target: > Start on the F-side & stay with it until can play > Strauss no.1 (nearly) > perfect. Find out how much easier #-tonalities are > on the F-side. Switch > to the Bb-horn use in the 5th year, but cultivate > the "combined" horn > (fingering in a way, taking advantage of both sides > without no > limitation to range) after a four to six weeks > introduction to the > Bb-horn, by playing every note on the Bb-side. > > >From then, start cultivating the "right use of the > double horn" - see > many examples on my Web Site. But this requires that > the teacher does > the same, but I doubt this, as too many teachers are > stubbornly staying > with the exclusive F (Vienna) or (nearly) exclusive > Bb (Germany, GB, > Scandinavia except Finland, Russia, Czech Rep., > Japan, etc.) or > breaking at a certain point e.g. c2 (USA & related). > > Reason for the (Most) use of the Bb: recordings, > safety, clarity - > sound doesn´t seem to matter any more. But this > should be our great > chance with the sound. > > =========================================================== > > -----Original Message----- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf > Of Scott Pappal > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:13 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Hornlist] F horn/Bb horn > > Someone, I don't recall who, remarked earlier today > that they start beginning hornists on the Bb horn, > citing easier pitch-targeting as the reason. While > I'm > firmly in the F horn camp, I'm not going to argue or > open up another discussion about something which has > already been kicked around the list before. Rather, > I'd like to ask if there has been any serious > research > into the F vs Bb horn question. (I do recall one > Instrumentalist article from the '50s in which some > rather well-known American principal horns, > including > Phil Farkas, debate this very question.) While this > is > rather academic, it would be quite fascinating...we > could start two classes of beginning horn players of > approximately the same age, with similar physical > and > mental characteristics. One class would use F horn, > one would use Bb horn. After five years of > instruction, we could have them play for a panel of > ten professional horn players and teachers for an > adjudication, and see who comes out ahead. Or, we > could wait and see which group has more students > reach > the professional level. Any researchers want to try > this project? I would, but I'm too busy teaching my > F > horn players:) > > Cordially Yours, Scott Pappal > > P.S. I wonder what all the professional horn > players/teachers on this list started on? Of course, > we all know professor Pizka started on the F and > natural horns, but what of the others of you who > play > and teach professionally? As a matter of fact, what > did you amateurs all start on, F or Bb? > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornhog%40yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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