Jeff,

Thank you for supporting my point.
There are parts of the hugin project that I deeply love, and couldn't live 
without: Enfuse (via using Ingmar Bergmark's slightly outdated enfuseGUI). 
it is awesome, it is fabulous, and I would shower the author with money.

But my personal experience in this group has been very consistent over the 
year: getting blamed for not understanding, and being too stupid to use it. 
I classify myself as a PTgui expert, being the #5 supporter/poster in the 
PTgui google group, advanced user of APG, global expert for stitching 360 
video (alpha tester for AVP and VS), and classifying me as the point&shoot, 
click&stitch person couldn't be further from the truth, but I get rolled 
into that group in the blink of an eye, just for saying "wouldn't it be 
nice if hugin would work as advertised?"

Would I love to tell my customers that they can reliably try using hugin 
with video-stitch? yes, I would, but I can't, because as I said, I have not 
managed to get a single pano out of hugin, ever. so my recommendation is: 
"go and try hugin, if you are getting it to work, you are a better user 
than me", if not, buy a ptgui license, and don't worry, it works 100%.

There is so much potential within hugin, but somehow it feels like there is 
a captain missing at the helm, and the MS Hugin is floating aimlessly in 
the sea of panoramas. and every time somebody mentions there is a leak in 
the ship, a guest on board, or a crew mates comes up and tells us "you're 
doing it wrong, stupid". The MS hugin has also an open door policy: if you 
don't like it, don't use it.

As Jeff said, I will look how the MS hugin is doing in 6 months. I hope she 
finds her way.

On Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:12:34 AM UTC-4, Jeff W wrote:
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>
>
> David - 
>
> On Thursday, May 15, 2014 3:39:52 AM UTC-4, GnomeNomad wrote:
>>
>>
>> You have lots of knowledge in a narrow specialty. 
>>
>>
> And yet my grandmother, to the day she died, swore I was going to 
> electrocute myself when changing a lightbulb if the switch was still on.
>
> But in all seriousness, how many other ways are you going to find to call 
> people stupid and inadequate in this thread? 
>
> The only reason I've entered this discussion at all is that following 
> Hugues' admittedly not-terribly-helpful post, the universal response from 
> the community was what we might call the Apple playbook: blame the user. 
> You didn't take time to get to know the software. You must not understand 
> what's going on. You're holding it wrong. You're not computer savvy enough. 
> You are just part of the point and shoot crowd that wants a one click 
> solution. You should be using Linux instead of Windoze. Etc.
>
> Joergen's point, and mine as well, is that you can have a very good 
> knowledge of what's going on under the hood, be very proficient 
> technologically and photographically, and still have a difficult time 
> getting good results with Hugin. It crashes far too often. It produces 
> outputs with black patches where image stacks should be (even in Linux). It 
> gets stuck in an optimization loop for 3 hours. And the like. These are not 
> problems with the user; they are problems with the program. 
>

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