I think we can gather more than just a Yes insects are affected. The
bees are dying out.   Fruit gnats seem to forced into a rythm of
figure 8's I have noticed on many occasions. The bees dying should of
alerted us to something amiss, kind of like canaries of the coal
mnes.  I have been studing the ants, a selection of
them seem to be losing their way, and zig zagging away from contact
with
another ants.

On Jul 4, 11:40 pm, John Dawes <[email protected]> wrote:
> The recordings of the Hum were based on some experiments that I made
> several years ago in which I attempted to make an enlarged model of
> one cilia of the inner ear, these are minute hairs which detect
> gravity and movement.
> The present set-up I am using is rather large and cumbersome  and
> there is a need for a small portable unit which can be easily
> transported to various  locations and buildings and this is the task
> at the moment.
>
> Some thoughts on gravity detectors - although the cilia of the human
> inner ear is comparatively  small consider the requirements of an
> insect such as a gnat or midge, they move at quite high accelerations
> and need to determine inertia and gravity precisely, it may be that
> the detector of such small creatures is on a molecular level.
> A further question is, are insects affected by the Hum?
>
> On Jul 5, 4:48 am, Trev <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > PS : My hum is much more like my synthed Hum.basic  - one above JDs'
> > here.
> > Johns' is less resonant -and more 'buzzy' !
> > [More of the raw precursor of 'Hum in the Wild', to me].
>
> > On Jul 5, 4:31 am, Trev <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Did you get the sound wav file lower down the list - JD Hum09 ,  Dee?
>
> > > On Jul 5, 12:58 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > John Ok that is what I see of my hum, a form of that vibrational
> > > > pattern. I can close my eyes and see that form of vibration.   But it
> > > > has different layers, and it doesn't spin in just one direction.  It
> > > > has the capacity to reverse direction
> > > > But also, when the energy is dialed up, it has multiple layers
> > > > spinning of this form of a vibrational energy,  kind of like a
> > > > quadapole.  Sometimes sort of like that Karate Kid movie of "Wax on
> > > > Wax off" of flow of direction.
> > > >  Before I ever founds others hearing this, back in 2005 my security
> > > > camera would discern 2 moving circles in the middle of the frame.  A
> > > > circle on the left turning clockwise and another circle on right side
> > > > turning counterclockwise.
>
> > > >   But this vibrational energy of yours that Trev uploaded, I see that
> > > > vibrational
> > > > energy field when I close my eyelids.
>
> > > >   So my common sense says you captured one of its layers.
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 1:55 am, Trev <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I  now get the same 404 error as you did Dee- but [ earlier ]  I did
> > > > > some light analysis on Johns data and posted the files on our files
> > > > > list here [ find them - Above right,  & below Pages]
> > > > > I've now added a shortened clip of the Hum sound John picked up as
> > > > > well - JD Hum.wav.
> > > > > All these recent files are prefaced JD.
> > > > > I hope that's OK John?
>
> > > > > On Jul 1, 9:34 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > But this method you speak of sounds very plausible.  Because in
> > > > > > essence the Hum is a form of a vibration.
>
> > > > > > On Jun 18, 7:41 am, John Dawes <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > This experiment was purely mechanical, the recording was taken 
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > the movement of a vibrating mass, there was no connection with 
> > > > > > > radio
> > > > > > > transmissions of any kind.
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 18, 12:22 pm, Trev <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > What do you attribute the approx 5KHz bandspread to?
> > > > > > > > It seems to have a sharp cut off indicating perhaps that this an
> > > > > > > > equipment limit -but this would need an analysis of the 
> > > > > > > > mechanics
> > > > > > > > involved in the measurements- whilst the source stays out of the
> > > > > > > > picture.
> > > > > > > > I suggest the LF cut off could be due to the higher amounts of 
> > > > > > > > energy
> > > > > > > > increasingly needed to drive natural mechanisms at LF whereas 
> > > > > > > > there's
> > > > > > > > a lot HF free energy flying about from the Sun and upper 
> > > > > > > > atmosphere
> > > > > > > > lightning activity.
> > > > > > > > I have to allow that cloud charges are static and unipolar 
> > > > > > > > until they
> > > > > > > > discharge- but that would be mostly a stable state.
> > > > > > > > Your results seem to show a stable presentation though- over 
> > > > > > > > time very
> > > > > > > > little deviation apart from the LF modulation @ 200ms shown on 
> > > > > > > > the Mod
> > > > > > > > trace.
> > > > > > > > The 9 ms chopping effect looks how I imagine the switched 
> > > > > > > > Police radio
> > > > > > > > channels[Tetra] would present.
> > > > > > > > Is that a possibility ? - though the p.r. frequency's a bit out 
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > 16 Hz.
> > > > > > > > It's quite possibly a secondary system running or an unpublished
> > > > > > > > switch of channel hopping freq would explain this.
> > > > > > > > I know you have stated:  this energy is neither a sound wave or 
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > radio wave
> > > > > > > > - but the parallels are there.
> > > > > > > > Other [unknown] mechanisms could interface the modes of energy
> > > > > > > > transfer.
>
> > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 5:01 am, John Dawes <[email protected]> 
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > As I have tried to make clear, it was not my to intension to 
> > > > > > > > > mimic the
> > > > > > > > > sound we hear.
> > > > > > > > > The experiment is very simple, to set a small mass into 
> > > > > > > > > vibration over
> > > > > > > > > the range of frequencies from about 20 to 100 cycles per 
> > > > > > > > > second and
> > > > > > > > > observe the motion that takes place.
> > > > > > > > > I found that a 2 points above and below 50 cycles per second 
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > vibrating mass exhibit’s a modulation that should not be 
> > > > > > > > > there and the
> > > > > > > > > only conclusion can be that some form of energy is effecting 
> > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > should be the simple harmonic motion of the vibrating mass 
> > > > > > > > > and that
> > > > > > > > > this energy is neither a sound wave or a radio wave.
>
> > > > > > > > > I think it would be difficult if not impossible to determine 
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > everybody perceives exactly the same noise, this is a very 
> > > > > > > > > complicated
> > > > > > > > > subject,  for some sufferers experience the effects 
> > > > > > > > > throughout the
> > > > > > > > > whole of their body.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 3:00 am, Trev <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Something else I meant to mention in the SA file ,apart 
> > > > > > > > > > from the
> > > > > > > > > > repetitive freq spread (indicating either some possible 
> > > > > > > > > > aliasing or
> > > > > > > > > > even artifact in the source), is that the 'cut offs' of the
> > > > > > > > > > fundamental are limits of what many people report as Hum.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Mine , at the low end of 27 Hz, and upper- at 80 Hz, as the 
> > > > > > > > > > usual max
> > > > > > > > > > of others  where it tangles (intermodulates?) with mains 
> > > > > > > > > > supply freq.
> > > > > > > > > > causing the annoying beat 'throb',  that wears so.
> > > > > > > > > > This is shown as the wide yellow band at the base of the 
> > > > > > > > > > the spectrum.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Yes!, wideband, repetitive and suspiciously clean- all in 
> > > > > > > > > > all, coupled
> > > > > > > > > > with the unique measurement technique makes this more than  
> > > > > > > > > > a chance
> > > > > > > > > > occurence.
>
> > > > > > > > > > What are your thoughts John?
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 11:39 pm, Pete <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I've got my computer output wired up to a NAD amplifier 
> > > > > > > > > > > with some good
> > > > > > > > > > > bass responsive Acoustic Research loudspeakers out 
> > > > > > > > > > > putting the sound.
> > > > > > > > > > > So, if the volume is turned right down until I just about 
> > > > > > > > > > > hear this
> > > > > > > > > > > MP3, and the imagine it's in my head rather than coming 
> > > > > > > > > > > from the
> > > > > > > > > > > speakers, then it's pretty damn close. If it went up and 
> > > > > > > > > > > down randomly
> > > > > > > > > > > as it does, or as it does as I perceive it, then it'd be 
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