Good point. But also consider that a new machine comes with a one or two year warranty (zero maintenance cost).
So, our cheap z/800 may cost over $100k for the first year just for a standard maintenance contract. Of course, we don't know details of the deal, but moving and installation is often up to the buyer. Now, a box like this could be a sweet deal if it were deployed as a 'penalty box' or 'sand box' for non time critical applications. Service could be ad hoc either by IBM or some third party. All that said, remember we have a political issue here, not a technical one. The executive in question needs numbers: either dollars or percentages. HTH and good luck. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of William Bishop Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: MSU question z800 vs. z9BC One more thing to consider. The monthly maintenance costs of a z800 are higher than a comparable z9bc, and they will get worse as the older the equipment the greater the increases. Also, there may be some increase in environmentals costs. Thanks Bill Bishop Specialist Mainframe Support Group Server Development & Support Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America, Inc. bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com (502) 570-6143 John McKown <joa...@swbell.net> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu> 07/14/2009 09:40 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu> To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: MSU question z800 vs. z9BC On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:23:20 -0500, Staller, Allan <allan.stal...@kbm1.com> wrote: >IIRC, the z800/z890/z900/z990 are "near death". I seem to recall the NO >CHANGES announcement. i.e. no model conversions or MES's. > >The z/10's are out and this is 2 hardware generations back. Even in your >situation, this seems to be a bad idea. I agree. So does everybody in my group, including my manager. This is coming from two levels up. > >Point out the financial's. The z9/BC is "paid for". After the lease >expires, a new lease can be negotiated at a lower price. That may be >enough to tip the scale the other way. > >TCO is different than cost! > TCO is irrelevant here. Cost is all important. If we can save $100 today but it will cost us $300 in 6 months, then we will save the $100 today. -- John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
