I was referring to the generic average. Not to anything anyone wrote here.
I already regret replying. /EOT > On 26 Jun 2020, at 19:30, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > > Not all change is progress, nor does an ad hominem argument bolster your > case. Neither does constructing straw dummies. "New is bad. Different is > bad." is a free construct of your imagination, unrelated to anything that > anybody here wrote. > > Are their objections valid? I don't know, but misrepresenting them won't > convince anybody that they're wrong. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > Henri Kuiper [henrikui...@zdevops.com] > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 12:57 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community > > Wow. What a lot of pushback. > > This is (IMHO) precisely what’s wrong with the (generic average) mainframe > community. New is bad. Different is bad. > > Dudes (m/f) : it’s not the 80s anymore. > > That being said : here’s a little “why” for the existence of the thing : > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1XvN1_V6ok1sJNlFaq7Z343XlW_wRn1pLUP1SgDYhckTcNv1FTRNKBGu8BhJjyQFtzWCCdxOEkvQnVbzjpkqyIRWBMVMKO5NSI-_UQmV1T4GP85WyNx0I4tfXKY1GyyBAr7-13umt61eWdwZnJ4bmDSMkvpmk0_byLSjeOa645E40X2BFl2gbfYLVB5tGPd17bav80BvBMpmwbZflaSxkwRKCxNL5XcRfUQPMhpXZWZmUKY1zXMYL7_BESm8M2UUp15dsc7B9m8yYh98BuxkEmTbrJsw_AtpWxwk9--8dv2iecdL4nxNDhXzCt6cDHOu1q85TVJ2MqEpSo446EYbJAKC4r5vEuKvLDlI1DJ2XnTNZopVXqx9eofDzOzd8aDo1iWe_YjyhkhxGMZSC3vWLVdzgWUvbc1ciqLqZXVnjecO_3YH03XnqCv8Bk5um6Tm4/https%3A%2F%2Fzdevops.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F620908065704853504%2Fmainframe-community-mattermost > > That being said I’d say “traditional” peeps like some of the reactions I > read here should probably not even try to see what it is. > > There’s no punch cards. No bus&tek. But an easy, modern, new (young) blood > friendly environment where about 100 peeps are having some fun discussing > mainframe things. > > No hard feelings. > > And a happy weekend ! > > > > Sent from my wireless iPhone > >> On 17 Jun 2020, at 01:12, Peter Bishop <p.bis...@computer.org> wrote: >> >> Hi Carmen, >> >> "there's no such thing as a dumb question" comes to mind. No need for any >> corner for you. I also learned a bit of history and now know why that site >> Kolosu mentioned looks like so much rubbish now... >> >> cheers, >> Peter >> >>>> On 16/06/2020 10:31 pm, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >>> Kolusu, reached out to me personally and I replied to the wrong message and >>> my response went to this forum, so I need more coffee. >>> thanks for the kind words and now that my response is 'out there' I have to >>> apologize to Mark for naming names. As a novice it's sometimes frustrating >>> when the company you support does not pay for Q&A support from IBM and has >>> been so terrible to loose all their MF staff. >>> I've been lucky to be able to move on and learn more about design and build >>> and supporting my environment. >>> back to my corner >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Lionel B Dyck" <lbd...@gmail.com> >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 7:24:06 AM >>> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community >>> >>> Carmen - never put yourself down. While you may not be 'as smart' as some, >>> I'm sure you are 'smarter' than some as well. We each bring to the table >>> (forum/life) our own skills and capabilities which complement rather than >>> replace those of others. >>> >>> Flames should be reserved for fires and stars, not for shaming others. >>> >>> Lionel B. Dyck <sdg>< >>> Website: >>> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1yULUSmjcKu0JnI82-5pjv0k_Bny1yocXQ9O03xc8h1NKHop6zLYzmNDxJ6z8LbrWzqNKRE7ptnw5iOhkRQ2c8tlxUmxWlMCHga0Sh61wLJ5v7tIB3FPgl7P0FZbnO2IGRvYoNImo91L3m4-Nh3nMPatReD2DgXqFRZJCuAAK6hvnhfK5RfaTyvdaxOGJO4RNHceQLytnjeMBaKC3SMbn2yACSsavfpWOzE1mSGe1rcML2-AvSd1pjmNwBoxRVhoiZXC_c1-RH3PG1QbOpmEwn9xD8ZhTQaJ1YoOVwo7jPVe_TeQVImE1vLNSIANkZwdjnp353SoqsOUka5CLnJ_BuoPXfoyGBoGe5KoPrn38nbp4M74Ba6OX1BKixY7lwHU1zSwreweMWT2oGDOfwBaNk9UcVYlwTboFQ37Nebqh99zBGO-q35f0ruDBXMtYAayr/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com >>> >>> "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what >>> you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of >>> Carmen Vitullo >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 7:17 AM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community >>> >>> Kolusu, thank you for the history lesson, I personally would never >>> 'advertise' (suggest) this site if I knew how low some folks will go to >>> sell answers, I know of a couple of industries that do this, ask.com, I >>> think was the first site I ever came across that you could ask a question >>> and for a nominal price get an answer. >>> As I mentioned, being a novice myself at one time, I needed help with a >>> SYSPLEX issue, I asked here, well, IBM-MAIN, and no one paid attention, at >>> the time the hot topic for MVS folks was Windows related, I pointed that >>> out that this was a MAINFRAME forum and was immediately shamed and flamed >>> by Mark Zelden + others , that was the only reason why I came across that >>> other site . >>> I've been a SYSPROG since 1993 came up from operations, I'm not as smart as >>> most here but I do try and provide help when I can, and continue to read >>> the Q+A here. >>> again thanks for reaching out to me and not shaming me more on the forum >>> >>> Carmen Vitullo >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Sri h Kolusu" <skol...@us.ibm.com> >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:01:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community >>> >>>> well then - they miss out on me, I've got free answers, and I know a >>>> lot of folks - beginners mostly that received good help. >>> I was a member of those sites and provided numerous answers (skolusu) and >>> quit when they started forcing ads. >>> >>>> I have much more work to do than research other sites. >>> I only pointed out because you are promoting a sham site. 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