End of Service (EoS) and Withdrawn from Marketing (WDFM) are 2 different things. The former is when IBM will stop 'servicing' e.g., maintenance/provide parts of/for the System. The latter is when IBM will stop selling any upgrades (MES) etc. Upgrades requiring physical components or just Licenced Internal Code (LIC) could have different dates for WDFM.
z13 and z13s are as yet not EoS. As it has already been mentioned, this URL is an excellent reference for various dates: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/ibm-mainframe-life-cycle-history IBM Mainframe Life Cycle History<https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/ibm-mainframe-life-cycle-history> Each family of the IBM Z mainframe hardware products has followed a similar life cycle pattern: product announcement, general availability, marketing withdrawal, and service discontinuance. www.ibm.com Regards Parwez Hamid ________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Carmen Vitullo <cvitu...@hughes.net> Sent: 20 May 2022 16:29 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date that would be nice - but now with z13 and z13s processors you cannot even get IBM to perform any hardware changes since those boxes are EOS....I think last June ? we were somewhat lucky the processors are already IN THE BOX so an MES of our Z13s was done in May before the EOS date to add a second zIIP processor Carmen On 5/20/2022 10:21 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: > Of course a free zIIP would be the best solution. But that's a > decision to be made by sales people, while running z/OSMF remotely > would be work (and maybe even a fun project) for a programmer. Now... > which group would more likely say yes? In my experience, don't even > bother trying to get something for free from someone in sales :) > > On 5/20/2022 6:14 AM, Pommier, Rex wrote: >> One would think that since IBM is forcing everybody to use z/OSMF >> they would accommodate their own customers and not force their >> smallest ones into expensive upgrades just to run this software. As >> Seymour mentioned, since zIIPs and the like are all normal >> processors, IBM should be able to build a bit of microcode to use an >> unlicensed engine to run z/OSMF. >> >> Rex >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On >> Behalf Of Tom Brennan >> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 9:04 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - >> CustomPac intended removal date >> >> Since z/OSMF is written in java, then why can't that high-CPU work >> run on another platform such as Power or x86, and then communicate >> with the mainframe for the z/OS work (i.e. submit jobs or whatever it >> does to run the actual installation). Or am I thinking too far out >> of the box? >> >> On 5/19/2022 6:15 PM, David Crayford wrote: >>> On 20/5/22 08:23, Andrew Rowley wrote: >>>> >>>>> Having a zIIP gives you plenty of horsepower for z/OSMF, and having >>>>> an IBM z15 gives you System Recovery Boost which gives you…plenty of >>>>> horsepower for z/OSMF at least during the first 60 minutes. (It’s >>>>> the z/OSMF startup that can take a long time on a low capacity >>>>> configuration. >>>> >>>> I wouldn't be surprised if once people start using z/OSMF, it's not >>>> just the startup that is slow on a small system. Maybe IBM should >>>> give everyone one zIIP with their z/OS 2.5 license... it might even >>>> be a useful stimulus for smaller z/OS sites. >>> >>> >>> 100% agree. The z/EDC ASIC is now free and on-die on the new hardware. >>> IBM should do the same with at least 1 zIIP. >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >>> email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information contained in this message is confidential, protected >> from disclosure and may be legally privileged. 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