IBM sends, usually twice a year, DASD images with every conceivable z/OS 
software component.  It's load and go, or should I say load and IPL.  It's 
IBM's idea of a z/OS system.




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On Tuesday, August 30th, 2022 at 9:57 AM, Carmen Vitullo <petevi...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


> the ADCD approach? I'm not familiar with that terminology, is that the
> billable service from IBM that build your environment + product and you
> just restore that environment? , I worked in state government where IBM
> lead the Y2K project for us and that's how we receive the required OS
> and products to support Y2K, also I was part of an IBM Global Services
> team that supported many clients, and IIRC used that mechanism to
> upgrade their systems. that long response said, sorry, that's not an
> option for us right now.
> 
> what I struggle with is exactly what you have described
> 
> I am concerned that z/OSMF is running on a prod LPAR, and the product
> we're trying to upgrade is required to be upgraded before I can apply
> and test the RSU maint I have received and the required PTF I need is
> contained in that maint level.
> 
> I'm asking support for a work around to this issue, and asking for a
> resolution to my submit failure issue.
> 
> Carmen
> 
> On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Colin Paice wrote:
> 
> > I used to have to struggle with IBM installation manager - a package for
> > installing software on midrange machines.
> > I remember being in a hotel trying to download a fix - but Installation
> > Manager(IM) decided it needed to upgrade itself before doing anything. It
> > took over 6 hours to download the new version of the Installation manager,
> > and another 2 hours to download the fix I needed! ( I had to set my alarm
> > for 3 am, and 5 am to click "go" on the install)
> > 
> > IBM's argument was you only need to learn one interface (IM) to install
> > software ( across Windows and Unix) - not realising I needed to know
> > Windows, Unix AND IBM's IM.
> > 
> > z/OSMF is inevitable - Question: where are the skills of today? Answer:
> > Java.
> > 
> > Personally I would follow the ADCD approach and download a volume of
> > product libraries and its SMP/E environment (and never use the SMP/E
> > environment)
> > 
> > Colin
> > 
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