Not exactly sure what you mean by 300?
But for example I never use or logon to z/OSMF and this is it usage since Oct
last year, my last IPL
Jobname REAL EXCP's CPU-TIME
IZUSVR1 , 125T 0.00 0.00 0.00 87 0057 112642169 14774.64
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Did you increase the tasks to 300? Otherwise the tasks keep swapping in and
out.
On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 7:40 PM Shaffer, Terri
<0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> And this doesn't begin to address the CPU MIPS required to even run thru the
> screens.
>
> When I IPL and z/OSMF starts it takes over the LPAR for a few minutes. When
> I logon and try to do anything its slow as molasses.
>
> Whereas in ISPF and ServerPAC dialogs I hardly ever left TSO PERIOD 1,
> response times.
>
> I have no choice but, having a hard time seeing the plus's.
>
> Even the migration guide is difficult on a 14" monitor, and because of the
> tabs, screen space available its very difficult.
>
> When I did my z/OS 2.5, I found the XML and did it manually in an hour or so.
>
> Sorry <RANT OFF>
>
> Ms Terri E Shaffer
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> I have to agree with this. Once I had my JCL created for just about any
> upgrade task, it was simple to make small changes to rerun the same process
> for the next upgrade. That goes for zOS, DB2, CICS, IMS, MQ, and most third
> party software.
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> On Monday, March 6, 2023, 8:12 PM, Shaffer, Terri
> <0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> When I worked at Chase bank, We had 117 LPARS and maintenance/clone was a 30
> minute task. So adding z/OSMF was never even brought up as a consideration.
>
> So while I understand the direction IBM is headed, its adding LOTS of layers
> to something that sound not be hard. Running thru screens vs submitting a
> canned job, is hours vs minutes.
>
> As much as I love my job and starting with MVS 1.3.8 to now z/OS 2.5 and even
> OS/390, they have added a layer of complexity that eliminated the KISS
> principle, sadly.
>
> So I have to disagree..........
>
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> I think the promise of zosmf is far beyond just a server pack replacement.
> Yeah server pack was great for what it was but when it comes to the grind of
> installing over and over and over again and the customization the workflow
> features I believe really hold the promise to fixing what is a continuously
> pain in the butt situation. And hopefully they'll continue to make it
> lighter and lighter. But the other part is the distribution points and the
> packaging for distribution. Yeah I don't really care how it happens whether
> it's a GUI or not. But in my view this is steps in the right direction.
>
> I would point you to Ed's presentation on the workflow features that were
> incorporated to E/JES2 installation. I really think there's something here.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Rob Schramm
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023, 12:06 Michael Babcock <bigironp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree. We use a permanent maintenance LPAR which is generally not up.
> > With ServerPac, it didn't matter we could select it as the target
> > from our driving system. With z/OSMF, if run on the driving system,
> > z/OSMF wanted the target up and wanted to communicate with it via z/OSMF.
> > Not good for us.
> >
> > Further, PSWI uses DSS to restore the datasets and ignores any
> > DATACLAS parameters. Our OMVS datasets are all EXTADDR so we had to
> > build a REXX EXEC to copy the OMVS datasets to a newly allocated
> > OMVS dataset with the EXTADDR attribute. Which by the way, what
> > happens when the ROOT grows beyond 4GB?
> >
> > There were a number of other things we ran into which escape me at
> > the moment.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 10:15 AM Shaffer, Terri <
> > 0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Randy,
> > > I completely agree, This will be my 40th year working on z/OS and
> > >at least another 7 years to go.
> > >
> > > I find z/OSMF cumbersome. I prefer to do things close to the source.
> > Not
> > > a tool to add layers of complexity and places to go wrong with yet
> > > more strange messages.
> > >
> > > I installed z/OS 2.5 before they eliminated SERVERPAC. I then
> > > ordered it again to try it thru z/OSMF, it added a lot more time,
> > > the SSA's, my SMS ACS routines and how things got built added to
> > > the complexity. Plus
> > there
> > > are many times I would bypass steps in serverpac, that because
> > > z/OSMF is performing what they call checks, think idiot proofing,
> > > makes this even more difficult.
> > >
> > > More to come, but if I find work arounds, I will bypass in the
> > > future
> > what
> > > I can in z/OSMF software installs.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ms Terri E Shaffer
> > > Senior Systems Engineer,
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> > > I'm sure my complaints don't do any good, but I've been doing this
> > > for 25 years (I know many of you a lot longer).
> > > I don't understand why IBM wants to force everyone to use z/OSMF.
> > > Maybe it's an attempt to attract a younger group of System Programmers.
> > > That's fine. However, I am not a GUI fan. I like the green screen.
> > > Serverpac works great. I am running into issues trying to learn z/OSMF.
> > > It's a waste of my time when I already know how to use Serverpac.
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> > > Running zOSMF under z/OS 2.4. In attempting to load the Portable
> > > Software Instance, retrieving the contents from the directory,
> > > that was used when the order was retrieved to our system, I get the
> > > following error.
> > >
> > > An error was found in file "/u/pinionr/TDMF/IZUD00DF.json". Error:
> > > "The file contains data that is not supported by the current level of
> > > z/OSMF.
> > > The version = 8."IZUD277E Feb 16, 2023, 10:14:02 AM
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> > > I have no idea how to proceed. If I need to apply maintenance to
> > > zOSMF, how would I be able to proceed?
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