On 11/5/2013 12:51 AM, Robin Atwood wrote:
Diverting the thread a tad, does anyone know where you can do an HLASM
course? My young colleague wants to be inducted into the mysteries of the
ancient craft and we found various IBM courses (see below) but none of them
are currently being offered. Of course, various outfits are happy to come to
your shop and give one-on-one instruction, but HR won't wear the expense of
that.


Well, there may be a middle way ...

If you have someone who can mentor your colleague, perhaps
you could purchase our course materials and have him or
her take these courses as mentored self-study.

This allows the student to go at their own pace. And it
allows your organization to use the materials to teach
other students later at no additional charge.

With our going out of business sale in full swing, you can
purchase our four main Assembler courses for USD 2600 (actually,
if you buy them all at the same time the price is just USD 2210).

Of course, the student may need an ISPF course and / or a JCL
course at some time in the process: it's not clear what they
already know.

The price is just USD 200 per course day to purchase any of our
courses in the sale; and if you buy ten or more days at one time
you get an additional 15% off.

These are complete training kits: lecture version, handout version,
setup notes, instructor notes, data for lab files.


You can use this page as a price calculator:

  http://www.trainersfriend.com/SpecialSale/LicenseOrderForm.html

plug in various options and it shows you the price; then instead
of placing an order (the 'Submit' button), you can cancel the
order (the 'Cancel' button) or just leave the page.


Tons of detail are available here:

  http://www.trainersfriend.com/SpecialSale/


So a little different perspective that might help you meet your need.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock, founder
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.



ES10AGB
http://www-304.ibm.com/jct03001c/services/learning/ites.wss/gb/en?pageType=c
ourse_description&courseCode=ES10AGB
ES34GB
http://www-304.ibm.com/jct03001c/services/learning/ites.wss/gb/en?pageType=c
ourse_description&courseCode=ES34GB
ES35GB
http://www-304.ibm.com/jct03001c/services/learning/ites.wss/gb/en?pageType=c
ourse_description&courseCode=ES35GB

He is in the UK but travel would not be a problem. Any suggestions
gratefully received!

Thanks
-Robin

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Subject: Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On 4 Nov 2013 11:49:17 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

They said "enough" -- just because some are doesn't mean there's "enough"!

Somehow I got into the field with only 1 course in Numerical Analysis and
Programming for Digital Computers (2 semesters) in 1961 and 1 course in
Symbolic Logic.  I was lucky that my company sent me to several IBM course
and from 1977 to 1990 to SHARE.  Should Colleges and Universities be
teaching vendor specific operating systems? Should they be teaching the
basic concepts of operating systems and of security?

Clark Morris


-
Ted MacNEIL
eamacn...@yahoo.ca
Twitter: @TedMacNEIL

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From:         George Rodriguez <george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org>
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Subject: Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

That's not 100% true...

"Schools aren't training enough mainfarmers."

There's a program in North Carolina that's teaching TSO, Cobol, JCL, etc...
and graduates are being hired by businesses that are using mainframe
computer systems.

We in south Florida were thinking of offering the same programs...


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