I was responding to the statement, "There probably are stand-alone versions of 
the other vendors' backup products,"  in the last append before mine. I was 
confirming that at least one vendor did have a stand-alone utility so those who 
use it do not need DDR for DR. 

Regards,
Richard Schuh

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Brian Nielsen
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I'm not sure how that is any help to sites which depend on DDR.

Brian Nielsen

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>There probably are stand-alone versions of the other vendors' backup 
products. There is for CA's VM:Backup Hidro.
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>Regards,
>Richard Schuh
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Behalf Of Brian Nielsen
>Sent:  Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:06 PM
>To:    IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
>Subject:       Re: Feedback requested on proposed DDR requirements
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>On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:37:07 -0400, David Boyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
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>>My comment would be to move the actual tape handling part out of DDR
>>entirely and let the data storage be handled by something else, eg a
>>pipe connecting to the input or output of the DDR engine. Then it
>>wouldn't matter how we were storing the data, and all the positioning
>>stuff could be out in user space, so DDR wouldn't need to know or care.=
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>>Then we wouldn't need CMSDDR any more. 
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>>-- db
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>I don't see how that removes the need for CMS DDR.  If anything it seems=
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>to strengthen it because standalone DDR wouldn't have access to whatever=
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>is doing the tape handling.  I don't think you meant we wouldn't need =

>standalone DDR because that will always be needed as a last resort for ==

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>when CMS is not available, and therefore it has to be able to read what =
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>CMS DDR wrote.  This requires the media handling function to be part of =
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>standalone DDR, which seems contrary to your comment.  Please clarify in=
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>case I misunderstood you.
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>Brian Nielsen
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