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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:32 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Ops privs


On Sunday, 08/26/2007 at 10:18 EDT, David Boyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Bundle RACF??? That might be a blow to the users of VM:Secure and
> other
> > ESMs.
> 
> Is it? Let's think about that:

The only way it is possible to ship RACF installed and enabled with the 
z/VM base is to provide a "snap out" ordering feature (a la z/OS) that 
ships with RACF uninstalled and disabled.  The "snap out" feature
results 
in a price reduction equal to the price of RACF.

The rules for this sort of thing were ironed out by lawyers in prior 
centuries and are well established.

> 1) The major difference between RACF and the alternatives is that all 
> of the alternatives are easier to use, administer, operate and 
> understand.

I'm sorry, David, but your brush is too broad.  z/OS shops who bring in 
Linux and z/VM usually prefer RACF on z/VM as it is much easier for them

to use, administer, operate, and understand.  Why?  Because RACF is 
extremely popular with z/OS customers.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott
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