Reminds me of a system modification we had back in the day, at another
company, that the SNA Staff could LOGON to VMVTAM but could not issue
LOGOFF.

-----Original Message-----
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:27 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Ops privs


On Monday, 08/27/2007 at 09:20 EDT, Rob van der Heij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:

> Your scenario would only break when Alan had proposed "reverse 
> inheritance" or "sideways inheritance" of privileges (the person who 
> logged on to TESTABC could also have chosen to logon to TCPMAINT, so 
> let's now give TESTABC the authorisation that TCPMAINT would have 
> had).

Rob, I did not propose to give TESTABC the authorization that TCPMAINT 
would have/  Rather, I proposed that TESTABC could, for example:
- XAUTOLOG TCPMAINT because the user could just bring up another
terminal 
session and LOGON TCPMAINT/DISC
- FORCE TCPMAINT because the user could LOGON TCPMAINT/LOGOFF
- SEND TCPMAINT because the user could LOGON TCPMAINT/SET SECUSER 
TESTABC/DISC or just LOGON TCPMAINT and start issuing commands
- SIGNAL SHUTDOWN TCPMAINT because the user could LOGON TCPMAINT/SIGNAL 
SHUTDOWN/DISC

> A somewhat similar problem is with the altuser implementation when the

> target gets the combined authorisation of the worker machine and the 
> owner of the job.

That is only the default RACF implementation and is controlled by a RACF

exit; CP does not redrive the authorization.  In fact, the Common
Criteria 
evaluated configuration requires that this exit be removed.  It's on the

To Do list to allow the RACF admin to identify specific users who are,
in 
fact, batch machines that need that functionality.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott
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