>> find I can't seem to get out of a chair seat with the "hard use"
I hate the hard use stirrups on my saddle and I also think they are a safety issue. With the loop right there...next to your foot/leg. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.