I seriously agree with Prakhar. Infact he was able to explain and writing up the points which i was failed to explain.
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Prakhar Agarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hi guys, > I'm final year CS/IT engineering student from Jaypee Noida. Please find my > opinions in-line. > > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM, narendra sisodiya > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ### When you talk about users.. Always keep in mind.. they want comfort > > and > > > not knowledge . Most of students are users too. > > > > So can you be specific about users "discomforts". Then only we can > > make some thing that addresses that "discomforts" > > > > > ### Workshops for teacher/college prof will be very useful. > > > > Nice suggestion. That could be one of the target audiance. > > > > (1) All(number is huge!) the teachers/profs are not same. For them > "computer > = Windows". period. > > (2) A student telling teachers what to do and what not to do?? Heard the > word "EGO"? > Its the *single-most* issue that precludes the faculty as well as their > students from learning anything new. One may say, that industry > professionals can come and conduct such workshops. But who will convince > the > management to organize it?? - Student. The chances are very bleak that they > will agree to it. > > (3) A whole lot of curriculum is Windows dependent. What do we expect? Stop > teaching the courses just for the sake of avoiding non-FOSS stuff? I think > right exposure and modification is the way to go, but it is easier said > than > done. Most of the colleges are business units which don't really care about > "what", "who" and "how" of teaching practices. Its all about "jack"(jugaad) > and Placements!! > > > > > ### There is a bootable Live Linux Gamer DVD, distributing them will > make > > > some more awareness. > > > > > > > For God's sake, get better games first!! There is absolutely no comparison > when it comes to gaming. FOSS is nowhere near in this department. > > > > > > 2) Slow Internet. > > > ## Its almost impossible to use/update/configure Linux without > Internet. > > > This is a major hurdle in foss adaptation. > > > > Have you used the Other OS with Automatic Update ON? That will suck > > out the life of best of your internet connection. :) Today most > > softwares and updates are distributed on-line. Any form of removable > > media is only used for initial installation of OS and some softwares. > > > > Both points valid. But, dependence of Linux on Internet is way past > imagination for a Windows user. > > > > > > > ## Putting rpm into bundle (one of the previous mail to make 'bad > Linux" > > for > > > users who do not have Internet) can solve this problems > > > > That was discuss on least and majority of Gurus suggested that it does > > not look very feasible. However, how about you starting some project > > around that? Start small line you want to distribute development tools > > on CD. Constructing such CD should not be way too difficult if you > > know how major packaging systems work. > > > > > 3) Students > > > ### Only so called Techie students from CS use Linux. Student life is > > very > > > fast. They are need to do many task in time bound competing > environment. > > > Extra effort to learn Linux and then use linux is major hurdle for > Linux > > and > > > foss adaptation. a small fraction of students use Linux. > > > > Seriously?? Should watching movies every alternate day in nearby mall also > be included in this time bound competing environment of techie student? Its > all about Grades, Grades and Grades!! If you don't have it you are not a > good engineer/student. That's it, finished. same senerio inside "the most prestigious institute" too, > > Use the best of your rote memory power, get good grades and then you are > "eligible" to enjoy and have fun. FOSS students generally don't end up with > good grades because they invest their recreational time out of this time very true.... that is why i do not put up my grades .. ;) > > bound schedule to explore FOSS. And not to forget the constant bullism they > face for "busy doing" some stuff everytime and still not getting grades. > Their predilection towards FOSS eats up their study time also but they > don't > complain as they enjoy what they do, they have freedom(speech), no cramming > to do, pure knowledge flows from IRC to MLs to chats. The very essence of > FOSS, IMHO, is _the_ way to learn to which humans adapt naturally "if" they > are exposed. > > > > > > You use GNU/Linux / FOSS when you don;t have time :) It simply doubles > > or triples your productivity in any area. :) > > > > > ### companies which are working in foss domain, should call for project > > > guidance for BE projects. By This way, students will start contributing > > in > > > foss projects. > > > > Good suggestion. On the other hand, how about colleges sponsoring FOSS > > Projects? > > > > Don't expect much from colleges untill they see a potential gain for > themselves. Many college are industry oriented. Just imagine the day when > Infosys/TCS/Satyam et al. mention a pre-requisite in job postings: "FOSS is > the eligibility criteria". I can only imagine this. FOSS can enter colleges > in true sense when Industry starts looking up to it in the way it should be > done. > > > > > > > ### There should be separate courses for FOSS in syllabus itself > > > > :) > > > > Narendra, what do you want for this?? I'll give you a Hi-Five!! :) > What is Hi-Five ?? > The idea is rocking, but again, it has been in our minds since long and > frankly, it has received some bad thrashing. So, one has to go out of the > way to accomplish something and prove that its worthy enough to be included > in the syllabus. > > You can refer following links to have a look of what we have dealt with in > recent past. > [1] > > http://groups.google.co.in/group/JIITUstudentforum/browse_thread/thread/f0f9ad1c92225156 > [2] > > http://groups.google.co.in/group/JIITUstudentforum/browse_thread/thread/fce2e5e6b0217986# > > In connection to going out of way to do things, my second endeavor: > http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgkft666_1dn428xcc > I sincerely need help of everyone to pull off this event with an impact. > > All the above thoughts/opnions/rants are from my personal experience and it > doesn't potray any institution/living human being. It only implies!! ;-) > > Thanks for bringing up this discussion. I really appreciate. > Cheers! > -- > Prakhar Agarwal > Fedora Ambassador-Delhi, India > Linux User# 474643 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > GPG key: 8BC6532F > "Life is the greatest teacher" > _______________________________________________ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──────────────┐ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ http://www.lug-iitd.org └─new number ───[ +91-93121-66995 ]──────┘ _______________________________________________ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
