On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 12:46:55AM -0500, Charles Martin wrote:
> >
> >My son is trying to load Gimp but it says it needs Apple X11. We've  
> >downloaded X11 and tried to install it but it fails, saying there  
> >is newer software on the computer. Where, and how do we load it?

As others have mentioned, /Applications/Utilities/X11.app
When I run the GIMP (which I installed with Fink), I start X11 by 
double-clicking it, then run it from the xterm that opens by typing 'gimp' and 
pressing return. (You can also add items to the 'Applications' menu in X11 so 
that you don't have to type.

If you have a different Mac Port (and it sounds like you do), try running X11 
and then starting the GIMP.

> 
> 
> Unless you and your son are exceptionally geeky, this gimp/x11 thing  
> ain't for you. You'll spend FAR more time and effort on IT than on  
> the actual end product you were trying to accomplish in the first  
> place (ex. editing a photo).
> 

GIMP is an excellent piece of software. It has a lot of the functionality of 
Photoshop, without the added (monetary) cost.  Many people prefer the interface 
of the GIMP to Photoshop (although this is probably down to what you know). 
Although there is a learning curve, the interface is generally pretty well 
thought out (provided that you don't expect it to be just like your usual Mac 
software). Photoshop also has a learning curve...

I disagree strongly that you must be exceptionally geeky to try X11. Whilst it  
could be argued that I am a little geeky, I do not think that the installation 
of these things is difficult. I concede that installation is more complex than 
the usual drag and drop thing of installing a Mac app, it's certainly no more 
difficult than an installation on Windows, and 90% of the computing public 
manage just fine with that.

> Get Photoshop Elements or Graphic Converter and don't waste your time  

I haven't tried Elements, but GraphicConverter is nothing compared to the GIMP. 
It's role is to convert image formats along with a little bit of basic 
colorisation and cropping. The tools that GIMP offers are a closer match to 
something like Photoshop (although in many cases they are not as extensive as 
the ones that Adobe has --- I guess you'd expect that since Adobe's engineers 
are paid and the GIMP's are not).


Merry Christmas,
Tim

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