From: Peter Apockotos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Jan 30, 2006, at 5:18 pm, Anne Judge wrote:

Ken is saying that it isn't version 10.3.9 - that wouldn't need to
be upgraded. Charles Martin's assertion was that "Apple has NEVER
sold a CD containing 10.3.9". That is not the same as saying that
Apple never sold a CD containing Panther, which is what some people
have mistaken it to mean.

Anne is correct -- what I said was that Apple has never sold a CD (*or* DVD) that has 10.3.9 (that specific version) on it. ALL of the retail Panther CD (or DVDs) that were sold needed to be updated once installed if one wanted to be current. I appreciate her efforts to clear up the misinterpretation others might have assigned to what I wrote.

I don't know how Chas is so certain.  I recently purchased another
copy of Mac OS X 10.4  and it was 10.4.3.  Even says so on the box.
Let me know if you would like me to take a picture of the box and DVD.

Nobody has claimed that Apple isn't selling a DVD of Tiger with 10.4.3 on it.

As to how I can be so certain, there's no mystery here -- I work in Apple Retail for an independent dealer. I'm an Apple Product Professional and Sales Trainer for the company. I am *supposed* to know these things.

There's a phrase that most of you may not be familiar with in Apple's retail vocabulary: "Reference release." What this means is "a version of the OS that is stable and to which no significant new features will be added for the foreseeable future." Only "reference releases" are ever sold at retail.

I don't remember now if Panther ever had a second "reference release," but Tiger did get one -- the original retail package up until just a few months ago was 10.4.0 and you had to update via software download to get to 10.4.3.

Once we got to 10.4.3, Apple decided that this version was good enough to spend the money revising the packaging and making the updated OS X available for retail sale. So current retail boxes of Tiger have a sticker on them that says "10.4.3 included". You still have to update this to get to 10.4.4 on your own, but the changes in 10.4.4 over 10.4.3 are almost entirely concerned with improving performance and security -- no new features.

This additional reference release also benefits dial-up customers -- downloading the update to 10.4.4 is considerably smaller than downloading the 10.4.0-10.4.3 Combo Update, which weighed in at over 110MB if I recall correctly!

So, bottom line: Tiger may continue to get updates from time to time, but only "reference releases" will be sold as retail boxes. I hope that clears things up.

Cheers
Chas

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