Oh good grief. I can't believe how long this OT thread has gone on. I thought I watched this beast die last week. But, sure enough it came back to life because some just can't let a dead horse go without a beating.
It seems to me that this whole issue boils down to admins, at all levels, fail to recognize the business impact of decisions. The Internet is no longer a refuge soley for idealistic reasoning. It is a form of business. AOL is simply the biggest ISP in this country. Being the largest doesn't make their decision the best for everyone, but it is justifiable to them and their bottom line. I personally doubt this was an overnight decision as no big company can do anything overnight. A common complaint I have seen is that AOL is going to block legitimate email because certain ISPs mis-label netblocks. Exactly whose fault is it that the mail isn't being accepted? AOL or the ISP? I would, in this case, have to put the blame on the ISP. There is no reason why their netblocks can't be accurately named. The only excuse can be laziness. Which is the only excuse their customers, the complainers on this list, can use. If you rely on getting email to AOL then inform the provider that their netblock label is wrong and it is affecting you. If they don't care, then stop paying them and go with someone who will do it right. Is it right that AOL made the change? Sure, it is totally and completely their call. Will it stop SPAM? Some of it. If requring proper rDNS was a voluntary thing would anyone ever migrate to it? No. Painfull as it is SPAM filtering/blocking/preventing will only happen if failing to follow through with security becomes a business impact for providers and end-users. Right now there is little to no reason for anyone to do things right, because "hey, the spam gets there.. but so does my mail so I don't care." If AOL delievery isn't a big deal to you then you shouldn't care. If it does then it is up to you to meet the demands of their network. Don't like that? Then go to a country where capitalism doesn't reign. Until the idealistic administrators on the Internet take a realistic look at how to prevent SPAM then it will never die. You do not have an implicit *right* to send email to whoever you please. As time progresses we are all going to have to play nicer and cleaner or the 800 pound gorillas like AOL are going to eat our lunch. Every SPAM they stop that we refuse to because it might negatively affect %1 of legit email is a notch in their belt to market to the world. So, in conclusion: If you want to send to AOL then you have to work with them - they don't owe you squat. If you don't want to send to AOL then what do you care - stop complaining. If you want to rant to a list then make sure and have a couple of drinks first :) But please check your grammar before clicking send. Thanks, Floyd R. BTW - Death to AOL please let it die a horrible, horrible death. |> -----Original Message----- |> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Todd Holt |> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:17 PM |> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |> Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] OT: AOL's got nerve |> |> |> My point exactly. If AOL said no more email from France, do you think |> Len would be so accepting? |> |> Todd Holt |> Xidix Technologies, Inc |> Las Vegas, NV USA |> www.xidix.com |> |> |> -----Original Message----- |> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Artigues |> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:07 PM |> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] OT: AOL's got nerve |> |> |> From: "Todd Holt" |> |> |> > [This email took a suspicious route to arrive here; Suspected SPAM |> (4)] |> > Every message that I get from you, Len, fails the Declude ROUTING |> test. |> |> Todd, |> Don't be ridiculous. Len's in France, this list is in the states. |> You should know how this test works in declude if your going to use it. |> Completely pointless post. |> |> |> |> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html |> List Archive: |> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ |> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ |> --- |> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus |> (http://www.declude.com)] |> |> |> --- |> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus |> (http://www.declude.com)] |> |> |> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html |> List Archive: |> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ |> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ |> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/
