Fortunately I have seen both species and discussed on it with Bhandari sir. The occasion was the event by National Innovation Foundation and as Advisory Research Committee Members myself, Bhandari sir, Dr.Darshan Shankar of FRLHT and Dr. Puspagadan were discussing the entries of the Traditional experts for award.
Ipomoea sindica is annual with 4 seeds. Just to add Everything is not published, Everything is not in internet and also Everything on internet is not authentic, PLUS every thing published in science journals are not ultimate. Science is dynamic not static. Peer reviewed papers are seen by 10-15 reviewers but discussions in Efloraindia are seen by thousands of reviewers up to many decades. Hence, there is need to reconsider the "Peer-review mania" present in few researchers. Lets wait for the comments of other members. regards Pankaj Oudhia On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > yes Pankaj ji > It is this Ipomoea sindica Stapf, which I had mentioned in my two > communications and which according to Flora of Pakistan cited by me above > is now correctly known as Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. Please Remember > Stapf did not describe a new plant, he merely gave a combination Ipomoea > sindica (dropping c). The species is now considered belonging to genus > Convolvulus. > > I don't have Flora of Indian Desert by M M Bhandari, but have hard copy of > Flora of W Pakistan published in 1979, which also considers Ipomoea sindica > (Stocks) Stapf as synonym of Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. > Perhaps this comparison between Convolvulus scindicus and Ipomoea > eriocarpa should help to resolve the issue > > Convolvulus scindicus > Ipomoea eriocarpa > 1. Shrub or > undershrub 1. Plant a > twinning herb or prostrate > 2. Leaves 5-10 mm long, sessile, succulent. 2. Leaves > 25-90 mm long, petiole almost as long as blade, not succulent > 3. Leaf base not cordate at base, margin undulate. 3. Leaf > cordate at base, margin not undulate. > 4. Corolla c. 12 mm long. > 4. Corolla 7-9 mm long. > 5. Ovary (obviously capsule) glabrous. 5. > Capsule pubescent > 6. Seed > one 6. > Seeds more than one > 7. Stigma > filiform 7. > Stigma globose > > Frankly I have not seen any of these two but my conclusions are based on > published information. Perhaps you can go through the description given in > Flora of Indian Desert to arrive at the conclusion of which is intended.If > it matches the second, then perhaps some thing is wrong. > > Gurcharan Singh > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Ipomoea sindica Staph. in Kew Bull. 93; I.1894; Prain in Journ. Asi.Soc. >> Beng. 65: pt.2. 537. 1896; FPB. 2:313; BH. 26(2); 546. 1919 (Type Stapf, >> CAL 311725) >> >> Source: The Flora of the Indian Desert, MM Bhandari, MPS Repros, Jodhpur, >> India. Revised Edition 1990. >> >> regards >> >> Pankaj Oudhia >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Pankaj ji >>> I fail to understand your sudden outburst is directed against whom?, we >>> had long forgotten such things and luckily our present group believes on >>> facts evidenced by literature references and not personal preferences. >>> I request you to Google search for Ipomoea sindica to know the facts. >>> Also go through the following links to decide for yourself: >>> >>> >>> http://efloras.org/browse.aspx?flora_id=0&name_str=Ipomoea+sindica&btnSearch=Search >>> >>> http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250096915 >>> >>> http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200018847 >>> >>> http://plants.jstor.org/flora/fwta6445 >>> >>> http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=reference&ReferenceID=216502 >>> >>> I would be happy to know if Ipomoea sindica really exists. Could you >>> kindly give the full reference and author associated with the name and >>> taxonomic resource. >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> * * >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Pankaj Oudhia >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Just consulted FRLHT database where both species are dealt separately. >>>> May be Vijayashankar ji can throw more light on it. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/bot_search.php >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Capsule Glabrous; seeds glabrous - Ipomoea sindica >>>>> Capsule hispid; seeds glabrous - Ipomoea eriocarpa >>>>> >>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa syn. Ipomoea hispida, Convolvulus hispidus. >>>>> >>>>> This is one of the very early flowering plants; when it is only 2-3 >>>>> leaved, it bears flowers. It is more common than closely related Ipomoea >>>>> eriocarpa R.Br. >>>>> >>>>> -From Field Notes of Bhandari sir. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately our group is hijacked by single minded expert not ready >>>>> to consider others. It is harmful to both group and science of taxonomy. >>>>> We >>>>> must know that it is not the classroom. This attitude of dominance is >>>>> forcing lots of members to keep distance with the group. >>>>> >>>>> Bhandari sir is with us and we can invite him to the group anytime for >>>>> clarification. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Gurcharan ji, >>>>>> Sorry, I had missed your earlier post. Thanks for the explanation. >>>>>> I was indeed unaware of Convolvolvulus scindicus Stocks. >>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>> - Tabish >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:36:19 PM UTC+5:30, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tabish ji >>>>>>> Not the real Ipomoea sindica Satpf. which is now correctly known as >>>>>>> Convolvolvulus scindicus Stocks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Ipomoea sindica wrongly identified by Jafri in Flora of Karachi >>>>>>> and several authors is Ipomoea eriocarpa as explained by me above. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.**com/ <http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/> >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~**singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Tabish ji. In Flora of the Indian Desert by Dr.M.M.Bhandari, >>>>>>>> Ipomoea sindica is treated as entirely different species to Ipomoea >>>>>>>> eriocarpa. Line diagrams of both species are there and it is mentioned >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> Ipomoea sindica is endemic to Sindh and Rajasthan whereas Ipomoea >>>>>>>> eriocarpa >>>>>>>> is present throughout India and also reported in other countries. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just to add -Indian Traditional Healers specially from Rajasthan >>>>>>>> treat both species as different species as far as medicinal properties >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> concerned. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The plant which was called Ipomoea sindica, is now known as >>>>>>>>> **<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200018847>Ipomoea >>>>>>>>> eriocarpa. >>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/**florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&** >>>>>>>>> taxon_id=250096917<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250096917> >>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.**net/catalog/slides/Tiny%** >>>>>>>>> 20Morning%20Glory.html<http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Tiny%20Morning%20Glory.html> >>>>>>>>> - Tabish >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**------------- >>>>>>>>> www.flowersofindia.net >>>>>>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:38 PM, jmgarg1 <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, Balkar ji, >>>>>>>>>> Didn't find any species named Ipomoea sindica on google search. >>>>>>>>>> Pl. check & let us know. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 24 September 2010 06:49, Balkar Arya <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear All >>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea sindica >>>>>>>>>>> (Pls correct me if i am wrong) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>>>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>>>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>>>>>> Haryana-132103 >>>>>>>>>>> 09416262964 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>>>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>>>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>>>>>> Haryana-132103 >>>>>>>>>>> 09416262964 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**User:Jmgarg1<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:J.M.Garg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg>. >>>>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>>>> can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached >>>>>>>>>> with each image. >>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group: >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.co.in/**group/indiantreepix<http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix>(more >>>>>>>>>> than 1820 members & 1,10,000 messages on 29/2/12) or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>> website: >>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/**efloraofindia/<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> >>>>>>>>>> (with >>>>>>>>>> a species database of more than 6000 species). >>>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common >>>>>>>>>> Birds of India'. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > x
