Going to health club for one hour Table Tennis. Will join the discussion after 10 P.M.
regards Pankaj Oudhia On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]>wrote: > And C. brachyphyllus Boiss. (1956) is syn. of C.scindicus Stocks (1852). > > > regards > > Pankaj Oudhia > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Pankaj ji >> >> I am aware of that. In fact two people had used this name Convolvulus >> scindicus Stocks (1852) which is the correct names and Convolvulus >> scindicus Boiss. (1856) which is now a synonym of Convolvulus prostratus >> (syn: C. microphyllus; C. pluricaulis). >> >> The key is what plant Stapf named as Ipomoea sindica. >> >> Gurcharan Singh >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Gurcharan ji, >>> >>> Here is plant no.3 i.e. Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. Local name >>> :Kaland. >>> >>> :The plant though very closely related to C. microphyllus can easily be >>> distinguished from the latter by its erect rigid habit and hirsute >>> branches. >>> >>> Source: Bhandari sir's flora. >>> >>> He gifted me a copy of this flora after Ahmedabad meeting with his >>> signature and comment. It is valuable asset. >>> >>> So these are three different species. I am Agronomist by education not >>> Taxonomist but expecting from Taxonomists to publish one more >>> paper challenging the paper from Pakistan. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Pankaj Oudhia >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Let us hope it gets resolved soon: >>>> Three disctinct species Convolvulus scindicus, Ipomoea sindica (in this >>>> case Stapf should have given a description different from first species) >>>> and Ipomoea eriocarpa >>>> or only two species Convolvulus scindicus (syn: ipomoea sindica) and >>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa >>>> >>>> If any one can hold of original publication of Stapf, the problem can >>>> get solved. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> At that time I was not having good camera like Dsc P-120 or at present >>>>> Sony HX-1. I can draw but not good artist like Pankaj Kumar Sahani ji. >>>>> >>>>> I am confident that pictures must be in FRLHT's database. Also in >>>>> Bhandari sir's flora colored plates are there. Line diagrams are also >>>>> there. And foremost Bhandari sir is with us. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj ji >>>>>> It is good that you have seen all: Ipomoea sindica (if it different >>>>>> from Convolvulus scindicus), Ipomoea eriocarpa as also Convolvulus >>>>>> scindcus >>>>>> (since Convolvulus scindicus appears in one of your publications). If >>>>>> you >>>>>> could upload all (or provide links to their photographs) our problem >>>>>> would >>>>>> be solved. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Fortunately I have seen both species and discussed on it with >>>>>>> Bhandari sir. The occasion was the event by National Innovation >>>>>>> Foundation >>>>>>> and as Advisory Research Committee Members myself, Bhandari sir, >>>>>>> Dr.Darshan >>>>>>> Shankar of FRLHT and Dr. Puspagadan were discussing the entries of the >>>>>>> Traditional experts for award. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ipomoea sindica is annual with 4 seeds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just to add >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Everything is not published, Everything is not in internet and also >>>>>>> Everything on internet is not authentic, PLUS every thing published in >>>>>>> science journals are not ultimate. Science is dynamic not static. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peer reviewed papers are seen by 10-15 reviewers but discussions in >>>>>>> Efloraindia are seen by thousands of reviewers up to many decades. >>>>>>> Hence, >>>>>>> there is need to reconsider the "Peer-review mania" present in few >>>>>>> researchers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lets wait for the comments of other members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes Pankaj ji >>>>>>>> It is this Ipomoea sindica Stapf, which I had mentioned in my two >>>>>>>> communications and which according to Flora of Pakistan cited by me >>>>>>>> above >>>>>>>> is now correctly known as Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. Please Remember >>>>>>>> Stapf did not describe a new plant, he merely gave a combination >>>>>>>> Ipomoea >>>>>>>> sindica (dropping c). The species is now considered belonging to genus >>>>>>>> Convolvulus. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't have Flora of Indian Desert by M M Bhandari, but have hard >>>>>>>> copy of Flora of W Pakistan published in 1979, which also considers >>>>>>>> Ipomoea >>>>>>>> sindica (Stocks) Stapf as synonym of Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. >>>>>>>> Perhaps this comparison between Convolvulus scindicus and >>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa should help to resolve the issue >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Convolvulus >>>>>>>> scindicus Ipomoea >>>>>>>> eriocarpa >>>>>>>> 1. Shrub or >>>>>>>> undershrub 1. Plant >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> twinning herb or prostrate >>>>>>>> 2. Leaves 5-10 mm long, sessile, succulent. 2. >>>>>>>> Leaves 25-90 mm long, petiole almost as long as blade, not succulent >>>>>>>> 3. Leaf base not cordate at base, margin undulate. 3. >>>>>>>> Leaf cordate at base, margin not undulate. >>>>>>>> 4. Corolla c. 12 mm >>>>>>>> long. 4. Corolla 7-9 mm >>>>>>>> long. >>>>>>>> 5. Ovary (obviously capsule) glabrous. >>>>>>>> 5. Capsule pubescent >>>>>>>> 6. Seed >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> 6. >>>>>>>> Seeds more than one >>>>>>>> 7. Stigma >>>>>>>> filiform 7. >>>>>>>> Stigma globose >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frankly I have not seen any of these two but my conclusions are >>>>>>>> based on published information. Perhaps you can go through the >>>>>>>> description >>>>>>>> given in Flora of Indian Desert to arrive at the conclusion of which is >>>>>>>> intended.If it matches the second, then perhaps some thing is wrong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ipomoea sindica Staph. in Kew Bull. 93; I.1894; Prain in Journ. >>>>>>>>> Asi.Soc. Beng. 65: pt.2. 537. 1896; FPB. 2:313; BH. 26(2); 546. 1919 >>>>>>>>> (Type >>>>>>>>> Stapf, CAL 311725) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Source: The Flora of the Indian Desert, MM Bhandari, MPS Repros, >>>>>>>>> Jodhpur, India. Revised Edition 1990. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pankaj ji >>>>>>>>>> I fail to understand your sudden outburst is directed against >>>>>>>>>> whom?, we had long forgotten such things and luckily our present >>>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>>> believes on facts evidenced by literature references and not personal >>>>>>>>>> preferences. >>>>>>>>>> I request you to Google search for Ipomoea sindica to know the >>>>>>>>>> facts. Also go through the following links to decide for yourself: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://efloras.org/browse.aspx?flora_id=0&name_str=Ipomoea+sindica&btnSearch=Search >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250096915 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200018847 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://plants.jstor.org/flora/fwta6445 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=reference&ReferenceID=216502 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would be happy to know if Ipomoea sindica really exists. Could >>>>>>>>>> you kindly give the full reference and author associated with the >>>>>>>>>> name and >>>>>>>>>> taxonomic resource. >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just consulted FRLHT database where both species are dealt >>>>>>>>>>> separately. May be Vijayashankar ji can throw more light on it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://envis.frlht.org/bot_search.php >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Capsule Glabrous; seeds glabrous - Ipomoea sindica >>>>>>>>>>>> Capsule hispid; seeds glabrous - Ipomoea eriocarpa >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa syn. Ipomoea hispida, Convolvulus hispidus. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is one of the very early flowering plants; when it is only >>>>>>>>>>>> 2-3 leaved, it bears flowers. It is more common than closely >>>>>>>>>>>> related >>>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa R.Br. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -From Field Notes of Bhandari sir. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately our group is hijacked by single minded expert not >>>>>>>>>>>> ready to consider others. It is harmful to both group and science >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> taxonomy. We must know that it is not the classroom. This attitude >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> dominance is forcing lots of members to keep distance with the >>>>>>>>>>>> group. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bhandari sir is with us and we can invite him to the group >>>>>>>>>>>> anytime for clarification. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Tabish <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Gurcharan ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I had missed your earlier post. Thanks for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> explanation. I was indeed unaware of Convolvolvulus scindicus >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stocks. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tabish >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:36:19 PM UTC+5:30, Gurcharan >>>>>>>>>>>>> Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tabish ji >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not the real Ipomoea sindica Satpf. which is now correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> known as Convolvolvulus scindicus Stocks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Ipomoea sindica wrongly identified by Jafri in Flora of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karachi and several authors is Ipomoea eriocarpa as explained by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me above. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.**com/<http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~**singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Tabish ji. In Flora of the Indian Desert by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr.M.M.Bhandari, Ipomoea sindica is treated as entirely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different species >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Ipomoea eriocarpa. Line diagrams of both species are there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned that Ipomoea sindica is endemic to Sindh and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajasthan whereas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa is present throughout India and also reported >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to add -Indian Traditional Healers specially from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajasthan treat both species as different species as far as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> medicinal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> properties are concerned. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Tabish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The plant which was called Ipomoea sindica, is now known as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200018847>Ipomoea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eriocarpa. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/**florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxon_id=250096917<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250096917> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.**net/catalog/slides/Tiny%** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20Morning%20Glory.html<http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Tiny%20Morning%20Glory.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 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