Pankaj ji I am aware of that. In fact two people had used this name Convolvulus scindicus Stocks (1852) which is the correct names and Convolvulus scindicus Boiss. (1856) which is now a synonym of Convolvulus prostratus (syn: C. microphyllus; C. pluricaulis).
The key is what plant Stapf named as Ipomoea sindica. Gurcharan Singh On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]>wrote: > Gurcharan ji, > > Here is plant no.3 i.e. Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. Local name > :Kaland. > > :The plant though very closely related to C. microphyllus can easily be > distinguished from the latter by its erect rigid habit and hirsute > branches. > > Source: Bhandari sir's flora. > > He gifted me a copy of this flora after Ahmedabad meeting with his > signature and comment. It is valuable asset. > > So these are three different species. I am Agronomist by education not > Taxonomist but expecting from Taxonomists to publish one more > paper challenging the paper from Pakistan. > > regards > > Pankaj Oudhia > > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Let us hope it gets resolved soon: >> Three disctinct species Convolvulus scindicus, Ipomoea sindica (in this >> case Stapf should have given a description different from first species) >> and Ipomoea eriocarpa >> or only two species Convolvulus scindicus (syn: ipomoea sindica) and >> Ipomoea eriocarpa >> >> If any one can hold of original publication of Stapf, the problem can get >> solved. >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Pankaj Oudhia >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> At that time I was not having good camera like Dsc P-120 or at present >>> Sony HX-1. I can draw but not good artist like Pankaj Kumar Sahani ji. >>> >>> I am confident that pictures must be in FRLHT's database. Also in >>> Bhandari sir's flora colored plates are there. Line diagrams are also >>> there. And foremost Bhandari sir is with us. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Pankaj Oudhia >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Pankaj ji >>>> It is good that you have seen all: Ipomoea sindica (if it different >>>> from Convolvulus scindicus), Ipomoea eriocarpa as also Convolvulus scindcus >>>> (since Convolvulus scindicus appears in one of your publications). If you >>>> could upload all (or provide links to their photographs) our problem would >>>> be solved. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Fortunately I have seen both species and discussed on it with Bhandari >>>>> sir. The occasion was the event by National Innovation Foundation and as >>>>> Advisory Research Committee Members myself, Bhandari sir, Dr.Darshan >>>>> Shankar of FRLHT and Dr. Puspagadan were discussing the entries of the >>>>> Traditional experts for award. >>>>> >>>>> Ipomoea sindica is annual with 4 seeds. >>>>> >>>>> Just to add >>>>> >>>>> Everything is not published, Everything is not in internet and also >>>>> Everything on internet is not authentic, PLUS every thing published in >>>>> science journals are not ultimate. Science is dynamic not static. >>>>> >>>>> Peer reviewed papers are seen by 10-15 reviewers but discussions in >>>>> Efloraindia are seen by thousands of reviewers up to many decades. Hence, >>>>> there is need to reconsider the "Peer-review mania" present in few >>>>> researchers. >>>>> >>>>> Lets wait for the comments of other members. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> yes Pankaj ji >>>>>> It is this Ipomoea sindica Stapf, which I had mentioned in my two >>>>>> communications and which according to Flora of Pakistan cited by me above >>>>>> is now correctly known as Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. Please Remember >>>>>> Stapf did not describe a new plant, he merely gave a combination Ipomoea >>>>>> sindica (dropping c). The species is now considered belonging to genus >>>>>> Convolvulus. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't have Flora of Indian Desert by M M Bhandari, but have hard >>>>>> copy of Flora of W Pakistan published in 1979, which also considers >>>>>> Ipomoea >>>>>> sindica (Stocks) Stapf as synonym of Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. >>>>>> Perhaps this comparison between Convolvulus scindicus and Ipomoea >>>>>> eriocarpa should help to resolve the issue >>>>>> >>>>>> Convolvulus >>>>>> scindicus Ipomoea >>>>>> eriocarpa >>>>>> 1. Shrub or >>>>>> undershrub 1. Plant a >>>>>> twinning herb or prostrate >>>>>> 2. Leaves 5-10 mm long, sessile, succulent. 2. >>>>>> Leaves 25-90 mm long, petiole almost as long as blade, not succulent >>>>>> 3. Leaf base not cordate at base, margin undulate. 3. Leaf >>>>>> cordate at base, margin not undulate. >>>>>> 4. Corolla c. 12 mm >>>>>> long. 4. Corolla 7-9 mm >>>>>> long. >>>>>> 5. Ovary (obviously capsule) glabrous. >>>>>> 5. Capsule pubescent >>>>>> 6. Seed >>>>>> one 6. >>>>>> Seeds more than one >>>>>> 7. Stigma >>>>>> filiform 7. >>>>>> Stigma globose >>>>>> >>>>>> Frankly I have not seen any of these two but my conclusions are based >>>>>> on published information. Perhaps you can go through the description >>>>>> given >>>>>> in Flora of Indian Desert to arrive at the conclusion of which is >>>>>> intended.If it matches the second, then perhaps some thing is wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ipomoea sindica Staph. in Kew Bull. 93; I.1894; Prain in Journ. >>>>>>> Asi.Soc. Beng. 65: pt.2. 537. 1896; FPB. 2:313; BH. 26(2); 546. 1919 >>>>>>> (Type >>>>>>> Stapf, CAL 311725) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Source: The Flora of the Indian Desert, MM Bhandari, MPS Repros, >>>>>>> Jodhpur, India. Revised Edition 1990. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj ji >>>>>>>> I fail to understand your sudden outburst is directed against >>>>>>>> whom?, we had long forgotten such things and luckily our present group >>>>>>>> believes on facts evidenced by literature references and not personal >>>>>>>> preferences. >>>>>>>> I request you to Google search for Ipomoea sindica to know the >>>>>>>> facts. Also go through the following links to decide for yourself: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://efloras.org/browse.aspx?flora_id=0&name_str=Ipomoea+sindica&btnSearch=Search >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250096915 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200018847 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://plants.jstor.org/flora/fwta6445 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=reference&ReferenceID=216502 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would be happy to know if Ipomoea sindica really exists. Could >>>>>>>> you kindly give the full reference and author associated with the name >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> taxonomic resource. >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just consulted FRLHT database where both species are dealt >>>>>>>>> separately. May be Vijayashankar ji can throw more light on it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://envis.frlht.org/bot_search.php >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Capsule Glabrous; seeds glabrous - Ipomoea sindica >>>>>>>>>> Capsule hispid; seeds glabrous - Ipomoea eriocarpa >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa syn. Ipomoea hispida, Convolvulus hispidus. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is one of the very early flowering plants; when it is only >>>>>>>>>> 2-3 leaved, it bears flowers. It is more common than closely related >>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa R.Br. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -From Field Notes of Bhandari sir. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately our group is hijacked by single minded expert not >>>>>>>>>> ready to consider others. It is harmful to both group and science of >>>>>>>>>> taxonomy. We must know that it is not the classroom. This attitude of >>>>>>>>>> dominance is forcing lots of members to keep distance with the group. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bhandari sir is with us and we can invite him to the group >>>>>>>>>> anytime for clarification. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Tabish <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Gurcharan ji, >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I had missed your earlier post. Thanks for the >>>>>>>>>>> explanation. I was indeed unaware of Convolvolvulus scindicus >>>>>>>>>>> Stocks. >>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>>>> - Tabish >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:36:19 PM UTC+5:30, Gurcharan >>>>>>>>>>> Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tabish ji >>>>>>>>>>>> Not the real Ipomoea sindica Satpf. which is now correctly >>>>>>>>>>>> known as Convolvolvulus scindicus Stocks >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Ipomoea sindica wrongly identified by Jafri in Flora of >>>>>>>>>>>> Karachi and several authors is Ipomoea eriocarpa as explained by >>>>>>>>>>>> me above. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.**com/<http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~**singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Tabish ji. In Flora of the Indian Desert by >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr.M.M.Bhandari, Ipomoea sindica is treated as entirely different >>>>>>>>>>>>> species >>>>>>>>>>>>> to Ipomoea eriocarpa. Line diagrams of both species are there and >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned that Ipomoea sindica is endemic to Sindh and Rajasthan >>>>>>>>>>>>> whereas >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa is present throughout India and also reported >>>>>>>>>>>>> in other >>>>>>>>>>>>> countries. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to add -Indian Traditional Healers specially from >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajasthan treat both species as different species as far as >>>>>>>>>>>>> medicinal >>>>>>>>>>>>> properties are concerned. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Tabish <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The plant which was called Ipomoea sindica, is now known as * >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200018847>Ipomoea >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eriocarpa. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/**florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&** >>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxon_id=250096917<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250096917> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.**net/catalog/slides/Tiny%** >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20Morning%20Glory.html<http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Tiny%20Morning%20Glory.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tabish >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.flowersofindia.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:38 PM, jmgarg1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Balkar ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't find any species named Ipomoea sindica on google >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pl. check & let us know. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 September 2010 06:49, Balkar Arya < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear All >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea sindica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Pls correct me if i am wrong) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haryana-132103 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09416262964 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haryana-132103 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09416262964 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**User:Jmgarg1<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:J.M.Garg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with each image. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-group: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.co.in/**group/indiantreepix<http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix>(more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 1820 members & 1,10,000 messages on 29/2/12) or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/**efloraofindia/<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a species database of more than 6000 species). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common Birds of India'. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> x >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. 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