And C. brachyphyllus Boiss. (1956) is syn. of C.scindicus Stocks (1852).
regards Pankaj Oudhia On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Pankaj ji > > I am aware of that. In fact two people had used this name Convolvulus > scindicus Stocks (1852) which is the correct names and Convolvulus > scindicus Boiss. (1856) which is now a synonym of Convolvulus prostratus > (syn: C. microphyllus; C. pluricaulis). > > The key is what plant Stapf named as Ipomoea sindica. > > Gurcharan Singh > > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Gurcharan ji, >> >> Here is plant no.3 i.e. Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. Local name >> :Kaland. >> >> :The plant though very closely related to C. microphyllus can easily be >> distinguished from the latter by its erect rigid habit and hirsute >> branches. >> >> Source: Bhandari sir's flora. >> >> He gifted me a copy of this flora after Ahmedabad meeting with his >> signature and comment. It is valuable asset. >> >> So these are three different species. I am Agronomist by education not >> Taxonomist but expecting from Taxonomists to publish one more >> paper challenging the paper from Pakistan. >> >> regards >> >> Pankaj Oudhia >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Let us hope it gets resolved soon: >>> Three disctinct species Convolvulus scindicus, Ipomoea sindica (in this >>> case Stapf should have given a description different from first species) >>> and Ipomoea eriocarpa >>> or only two species Convolvulus scindicus (syn: ipomoea sindica) and >>> Ipomoea eriocarpa >>> >>> If any one can hold of original publication of Stapf, the problem can >>> get solved. >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Pankaj Oudhia >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> At that time I was not having good camera like Dsc P-120 or at present >>>> Sony HX-1. I can draw but not good artist like Pankaj Kumar Sahani ji. >>>> >>>> I am confident that pictures must be in FRLHT's database. Also in >>>> Bhandari sir's flora colored plates are there. Line diagrams are also >>>> there. And foremost Bhandari sir is with us. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pankaj ji >>>>> It is good that you have seen all: Ipomoea sindica (if it different >>>>> from Convolvulus scindicus), Ipomoea eriocarpa as also Convolvulus >>>>> scindcus >>>>> (since Convolvulus scindicus appears in one of your publications). If you >>>>> could upload all (or provide links to their photographs) our problem would >>>>> be solved. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Fortunately I have seen both species and discussed on it with >>>>>> Bhandari sir. The occasion was the event by National Innovation >>>>>> Foundation >>>>>> and as Advisory Research Committee Members myself, Bhandari sir, >>>>>> Dr.Darshan >>>>>> Shankar of FRLHT and Dr. Puspagadan were discussing the entries of the >>>>>> Traditional experts for award. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ipomoea sindica is annual with 4 seeds. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to add >>>>>> >>>>>> Everything is not published, Everything is not in internet and also >>>>>> Everything on internet is not authentic, PLUS every thing published in >>>>>> science journals are not ultimate. Science is dynamic not static. >>>>>> >>>>>> Peer reviewed papers are seen by 10-15 reviewers but discussions in >>>>>> Efloraindia are seen by thousands of reviewers up to many decades. Hence, >>>>>> there is need to reconsider the "Peer-review mania" present in few >>>>>> researchers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lets wait for the comments of other members. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> yes Pankaj ji >>>>>>> It is this Ipomoea sindica Stapf, which I had mentioned in my two >>>>>>> communications and which according to Flora of Pakistan cited by me >>>>>>> above >>>>>>> is now correctly known as Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. Please Remember >>>>>>> Stapf did not describe a new plant, he merely gave a combination Ipomoea >>>>>>> sindica (dropping c). The species is now considered belonging to genus >>>>>>> Convolvulus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't have Flora of Indian Desert by M M Bhandari, but have hard >>>>>>> copy of Flora of W Pakistan published in 1979, which also considers >>>>>>> Ipomoea >>>>>>> sindica (Stocks) Stapf as synonym of Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. >>>>>>> Perhaps this comparison between Convolvulus scindicus and Ipomoea >>>>>>> eriocarpa should help to resolve the issue >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Convolvulus >>>>>>> scindicus Ipomoea >>>>>>> eriocarpa >>>>>>> 1. Shrub or >>>>>>> undershrub 1. Plant a >>>>>>> twinning herb or prostrate >>>>>>> 2. Leaves 5-10 mm long, sessile, succulent. 2. >>>>>>> Leaves 25-90 mm long, petiole almost as long as blade, not succulent >>>>>>> 3. Leaf base not cordate at base, margin undulate. 3. >>>>>>> Leaf cordate at base, margin not undulate. >>>>>>> 4. Corolla c. 12 mm >>>>>>> long. 4. Corolla 7-9 mm >>>>>>> long. >>>>>>> 5. Ovary (obviously capsule) glabrous. >>>>>>> 5. Capsule pubescent >>>>>>> 6. Seed >>>>>>> one 6. >>>>>>> Seeds more than one >>>>>>> 7. Stigma >>>>>>> filiform 7. >>>>>>> Stigma globose >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frankly I have not seen any of these two but my conclusions are >>>>>>> based on published information. Perhaps you can go through the >>>>>>> description >>>>>>> given in Flora of Indian Desert to arrive at the conclusion of which is >>>>>>> intended.If it matches the second, then perhaps some thing is wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ipomoea sindica Staph. in Kew Bull. 93; I.1894; Prain in Journ. >>>>>>>> Asi.Soc. Beng. 65: pt.2. 537. 1896; FPB. 2:313; BH. 26(2); 546. 1919 >>>>>>>> (Type >>>>>>>> Stapf, CAL 311725) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Source: The Flora of the Indian Desert, MM Bhandari, MPS Repros, >>>>>>>> Jodhpur, India. Revised Edition 1990. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pankaj ji >>>>>>>>> I fail to understand your sudden outburst is directed against >>>>>>>>> whom?, we had long forgotten such things and luckily our present group >>>>>>>>> believes on facts evidenced by literature references and not personal >>>>>>>>> preferences. >>>>>>>>> I request you to Google search for Ipomoea sindica to know the >>>>>>>>> facts. Also go through the following links to decide for yourself: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://efloras.org/browse.aspx?flora_id=0&name_str=Ipomoea+sindica&btnSearch=Search >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250096915 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200018847 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://plants.jstor.org/flora/fwta6445 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=reference&ReferenceID=216502 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would be happy to know if Ipomoea sindica really exists. Could >>>>>>>>> you kindly give the full reference and author associated with the >>>>>>>>> name and >>>>>>>>> taxonomic resource. >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just consulted FRLHT database where both species are dealt >>>>>>>>>> separately. May be Vijayashankar ji can throw more light on it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://envis.frlht.org/bot_search.php >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Capsule Glabrous; seeds glabrous - Ipomoea sindica >>>>>>>>>>> Capsule hispid; seeds glabrous - Ipomoea eriocarpa >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa syn. Ipomoea hispida, Convolvulus hispidus. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is one of the very early flowering plants; when it is only >>>>>>>>>>> 2-3 leaved, it bears flowers. It is more common than closely related >>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa R.Br. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -From Field Notes of Bhandari sir. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately our group is hijacked by single minded expert not >>>>>>>>>>> ready to consider others. It is harmful to both group and science of >>>>>>>>>>> taxonomy. We must know that it is not the classroom. This attitude >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> dominance is forcing lots of members to keep distance with the >>>>>>>>>>> group. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bhandari sir is with us and we can invite him to the group >>>>>>>>>>> anytime for clarification. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Tabish <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Gurcharan ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I had missed your earlier post. Thanks for the >>>>>>>>>>>> explanation. I was indeed unaware of Convolvolvulus scindicus >>>>>>>>>>>> Stocks. >>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>> - Tabish >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:36:19 PM UTC+5:30, Gurcharan >>>>>>>>>>>> Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tabish ji >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not the real Ipomoea sindica Satpf. which is now correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>> known as Convolvolvulus scindicus Stocks >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Ipomoea sindica wrongly identified by Jafri in Flora of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Karachi and several authors is Ipomoea eriocarpa as explained by >>>>>>>>>>>>> me above. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.**com/<http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~**singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Tabish ji. In Flora of the Indian Desert by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr.M.M.Bhandari, Ipomoea sindica is treated as entirely >>>>>>>>>>>>>> different species >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Ipomoea eriocarpa. Line diagrams of both species are there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned that Ipomoea sindica is endemic to Sindh and Rajasthan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> whereas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa is present throughout India and also reported >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to add -Indian Traditional Healers specially from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajasthan treat both species as different species as far as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> medicinal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> properties are concerned. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Tabish <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The plant which was called Ipomoea sindica, is now known as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200018847>Ipomoea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eriocarpa. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/**florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxon_id=250096917<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250096917> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.**net/catalog/slides/Tiny%** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20Morning%20Glory.html<http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Tiny%20Morning%20Glory.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tabish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.flowersofindia.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:38 PM, jmgarg1 <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Balkar ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't find any species named Ipomoea sindica on google >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pl. check & let us know. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 September 2010 06:49, Balkar Arya < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear All >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea sindica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Pls correct me if i am wrong) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haryana-132103 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09416262964 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haryana-132103 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09416262964 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**User:Jmgarg1<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:J.M.Garg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with each image. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-group: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.co.in/**group/indiantreepix<http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix>(more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 1820 members & 1,10,000 messages on 29/2/12) or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/**efloraofindia/<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a species database of more than 6000 species). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common Birds of India'. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> x >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >
