Gurcharan ji, Here is plant no.3 i.e. Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. Local name :Kaland.
:The plant though very closely related to C. microphyllus can easily be distinguished from the latter by its erect rigid habit and hirsute branches. Source: Bhandari sir's flora. He gifted me a copy of this flora after Ahmedabad meeting with his signature and comment. It is valuable asset. So these are three different species. I am Agronomist by education not Taxonomist but expecting from Taxonomists to publish one more paper challenging the paper from Pakistan. regards Pankaj Oudhia On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Let us hope it gets resolved soon: > Three disctinct species Convolvulus scindicus, Ipomoea sindica (in this > case Stapf should have given a description different from first species) > and Ipomoea eriocarpa > or only two species Convolvulus scindicus (syn: ipomoea sindica) and > Ipomoea eriocarpa > > If any one can hold of original publication of Stapf, the problem can get > solved. > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]>wrote: > >> At that time I was not having good camera like Dsc P-120 or at present >> Sony HX-1. I can draw but not good artist like Pankaj Kumar Sahani ji. >> >> I am confident that pictures must be in FRLHT's database. Also in >> Bhandari sir's flora colored plates are there. Line diagrams are also >> there. And foremost Bhandari sir is with us. >> >> regards >> >> Pankaj Oudhia >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Pankaj ji >>> It is good that you have seen all: Ipomoea sindica (if it different from >>> Convolvulus scindicus), Ipomoea eriocarpa as also Convolvulus scindcus >>> (since Convolvulus scindicus appears in one of your publications). If you >>> could upload all (or provide links to their photographs) our problem would >>> be solved. >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Pankaj Oudhia >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Fortunately I have seen both species and discussed on it with Bhandari >>>> sir. The occasion was the event by National Innovation Foundation and as >>>> Advisory Research Committee Members myself, Bhandari sir, Dr.Darshan >>>> Shankar of FRLHT and Dr. Puspagadan were discussing the entries of the >>>> Traditional experts for award. >>>> >>>> Ipomoea sindica is annual with 4 seeds. >>>> >>>> Just to add >>>> >>>> Everything is not published, Everything is not in internet and also >>>> Everything on internet is not authentic, PLUS every thing published in >>>> science journals are not ultimate. Science is dynamic not static. >>>> >>>> Peer reviewed papers are seen by 10-15 reviewers but discussions in >>>> Efloraindia are seen by thousands of reviewers up to many decades. Hence, >>>> there is need to reconsider the "Peer-review mania" present in few >>>> researchers. >>>> >>>> Lets wait for the comments of other members. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> yes Pankaj ji >>>>> It is this Ipomoea sindica Stapf, which I had mentioned in my two >>>>> communications and which according to Flora of Pakistan cited by me above >>>>> is now correctly known as Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. Please Remember >>>>> Stapf did not describe a new plant, he merely gave a combination Ipomoea >>>>> sindica (dropping c). The species is now considered belonging to genus >>>>> Convolvulus. >>>>> >>>>> I don't have Flora of Indian Desert by M M Bhandari, but have hard >>>>> copy of Flora of W Pakistan published in 1979, which also considers >>>>> Ipomoea >>>>> sindica (Stocks) Stapf as synonym of Convolvulus scindicus Stocks. >>>>> Perhaps this comparison between Convolvulus scindicus and Ipomoea >>>>> eriocarpa should help to resolve the issue >>>>> >>>>> Convolvulus >>>>> scindicus Ipomoea >>>>> eriocarpa >>>>> 1. Shrub or >>>>> undershrub 1. Plant a >>>>> twinning herb or prostrate >>>>> 2. Leaves 5-10 mm long, sessile, succulent. 2. >>>>> Leaves 25-90 mm long, petiole almost as long as blade, not succulent >>>>> 3. Leaf base not cordate at base, margin undulate. 3. Leaf >>>>> cordate at base, margin not undulate. >>>>> 4. Corolla c. 12 mm >>>>> long. 4. Corolla 7-9 mm >>>>> long. >>>>> 5. Ovary (obviously capsule) glabrous. 5. >>>>> Capsule pubescent >>>>> 6. Seed >>>>> one 6. >>>>> Seeds more than one >>>>> 7. Stigma >>>>> filiform 7. >>>>> Stigma globose >>>>> >>>>> Frankly I have not seen any of these two but my conclusions are based >>>>> on published information. Perhaps you can go through the description given >>>>> in Flora of Indian Desert to arrive at the conclusion of which is >>>>> intended.If it matches the second, then perhaps some thing is wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Gurcharan Singh >>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ipomoea sindica Staph. in Kew Bull. 93; I.1894; Prain in Journ. >>>>>> Asi.Soc. Beng. 65: pt.2. 537. 1896; FPB. 2:313; BH. 26(2); 546. 1919 >>>>>> (Type >>>>>> Stapf, CAL 311725) >>>>>> >>>>>> Source: The Flora of the Indian Desert, MM Bhandari, MPS Repros, >>>>>> Jodhpur, India. Revised Edition 1990. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Pankaj ji >>>>>>> I fail to understand your sudden outburst is directed against whom?, >>>>>>> we had long forgotten such things and luckily our present group >>>>>>> believes on >>>>>>> facts evidenced by literature references and not personal preferences. >>>>>>> I request you to Google search for Ipomoea sindica to know the >>>>>>> facts. Also go through the following links to decide for yourself: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://efloras.org/browse.aspx?flora_id=0&name_str=Ipomoea+sindica&btnSearch=Search >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250096915 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200018847 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://plants.jstor.org/flora/fwta6445 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=reference&ReferenceID=216502 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would be happy to know if Ipomoea sindica really exists. Could you >>>>>>> kindly give the full reference and author associated with the name and >>>>>>> taxonomic resource. >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just consulted FRLHT database where both species are dealt >>>>>>>> separately. May be Vijayashankar ji can throw more light on it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://envis.frlht.org/bot_search.php >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Capsule Glabrous; seeds glabrous - Ipomoea sindica >>>>>>>>> Capsule hispid; seeds glabrous - Ipomoea eriocarpa >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa syn. Ipomoea hispida, Convolvulus hispidus. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is one of the very early flowering plants; when it is only >>>>>>>>> 2-3 leaved, it bears flowers. It is more common than closely related >>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa R.Br. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -From Field Notes of Bhandari sir. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately our group is hijacked by single minded expert not >>>>>>>>> ready to consider others. It is harmful to both group and science of >>>>>>>>> taxonomy. We must know that it is not the classroom. This attitude of >>>>>>>>> dominance is forcing lots of members to keep distance with the group. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bhandari sir is with us and we can invite him to the group anytime >>>>>>>>> for clarification. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Tabish <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Gurcharan ji, >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I had missed your earlier post. Thanks for the >>>>>>>>>> explanation. I was indeed unaware of Convolvolvulus scindicus Stocks. >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>>> - Tabish >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:36:19 PM UTC+5:30, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tabish ji >>>>>>>>>>> Not the real Ipomoea sindica Satpf. which is now correctly known >>>>>>>>>>> as Convolvolvulus scindicus Stocks >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Ipomoea sindica wrongly identified by Jafri in Flora of >>>>>>>>>>> Karachi and several authors is Ipomoea eriocarpa as explained by me >>>>>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.**com/<http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~**singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Tabish ji. In Flora of the Indian Desert by >>>>>>>>>>>> Dr.M.M.Bhandari, Ipomoea sindica is treated as entirely different >>>>>>>>>>>> species >>>>>>>>>>>> to Ipomoea eriocarpa. Line diagrams of both species are there and >>>>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned that Ipomoea sindica is endemic to Sindh and Rajasthan >>>>>>>>>>>> whereas >>>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea eriocarpa is present throughout India and also reported in >>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>> countries. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just to add -Indian Traditional Healers specially from >>>>>>>>>>>> Rajasthan treat both species as different species as far as >>>>>>>>>>>> medicinal >>>>>>>>>>>> properties are concerned. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Tabish <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The plant which was called Ipomoea sindica, is now known as >>>>>>>>>>>>> **<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200018847>Ipomoea >>>>>>>>>>>>> eriocarpa. >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/**florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&** >>>>>>>>>>>>> taxon_id=250096917<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250096917> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.**net/catalog/slides/Tiny%** >>>>>>>>>>>>> 20Morning%20Glory.html<http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Tiny%20Morning%20Glory.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tabish >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.flowersofindia.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:38 PM, jmgarg1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Balkar ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't find any species named Ipomoea sindica on google >>>>>>>>>>>>>> search. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pl. check & let us know. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 September 2010 06:49, Balkar Arya <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear All >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ipomoea sindica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Pls correct me if i am wrong) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haryana-132103 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09416262964 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haryana-132103 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09416262964 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**User:Jmgarg1<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>>>>>>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:J.M.Garg<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with each image. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google >>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-group: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.co.in/**group/indiantreepix<http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix>(more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 1820 members & 1,10,000 messages on 29/2/12) or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>>>>> website: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/**efloraofindia/<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a species database of more than 6000 species). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Birds of India'. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> x >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
