--- Vincent Massol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Morgan Delagrange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [SUBMIT] digester logging patch
>
> [snip]
> > Yes, if we can get consensus on Log4J itself as
> the
> > abstraction layer, then to the rubbish tip with
> the
> > Logging component. As long as I can include
> > reasonable debug information in my code and turn
> the
> > logging levels on or off externally, I don't care
> too
> > much about the specifics. And really, all other
> > things being equal, I'd prefer Log4J statements
> over
> > the alternatives.
> >
>
> There is still something else that you might need:
> it is an very small
> wrapper on top of Log4j so that your code will still
> run even for users who
> do not have the log4j jar in their classpath. I like
> to think of the commons
> components as easy to use as possible. If you begin
> to say that for using
> such component you also need to download these 10
> differents jars, it's
> getting complex. What I did for Cactus (and users
> love it!) is to put a very
> simple wrapper on top of Log4j (a few lines) so that
> if Log4j is not on the
> classpath, no log will be generated.
>
> The problem is not so much the size of the jars that
> you need to bring in
> but rather the fact that you have to bring them in
> ...
>
> Do we agee on that need ?
>
> > - Morgan
> -Vincent
>
That's essentially what the Logging component is.
It's a trade-off. If you go with an abstraction
layer, then you get the smaller footprint (but only
when you're not actually performing Log4J logging).
Alternatively if you go with explicit Log4J calls,
then you get the whole gamut of functionality, some of
which would be lost in the abstraction layer.
It's a real toss-up. Since the proposed abstraction
layer does what I need to do, I'll go with the
consensus. _Personally_, I prefer Log4J, but I
understand the issues.
- Morgan
=====
Morgan Delagrange
http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons
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