It's done with JavaScript because that's something that can gracefully degrade with the use of toolkits. If someone has an older IE or FF, the interface might not be as nice as the interface for the newer browsers, but it'll still provide some functionality.
We had an Adobe guy (James Ward) present at our TriJUG a couple weeks back, and I think that was a question for him which I can't remember the answer to. If I compile a Flex app for the latest stack, but someone doesn't have the latest stack, will the app degrade or automatically install the newer stack *just* for that app (and leave the other apps using their older stack)? Or is that person with the older stack just out of luck? To whatever extent RIA tech (Silverlight, Flex, JavaFX, whatever) forces people to upgrade rather than offering them a 'less than current but still functional' experience, it'll have a hard sell against the growing functionality of 'native to the browser' JavaScript and associated toolkits. Everyone should watch out for browsers that might start bundling some JavaScript toolkits directly. If my browser came with basic jquery, dojo, etc, and could only have to dynamically load the extra pieces it needed, this would be even more of a reason to write for that platform rather than looking at the RIA space. I love RIA tech and think it has a place, but the vendors in this space will need to continually be upping their game (both technically and marketing and user/community engagement) to make their case relevant. Our area has seen at least 3 visits from Adobe tech reps in the last year (to our PHP and Java user groups). I've not seen anyone from Sun come and present about JavaFX to any group in our area. Granted, we're *only* Raleigh/RTP - we're not the Valley or New York - but they can't just put out 'catch up' tech and expect everyone to adopt it. Strategic initiatives in to businesses (via salesforce, like I said before) will do much more for the adoption *at the developer level* than partnerships with device makers to embed Java/JavaFX in to phones and televisions. My clients couldn't care less if *4 billion* cell phones run some outdated version of Java - they want a Flash app because that's what they see on youtube (for example). If they saw Java apps on Yahoo Finance, SalesForce and other business-related sites, it might make a stronger case for the tech than the "mobile phone games" market Sun seems to have painted themselves in to a corner with. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Alexey Zinger <inline_f...@yahoo.com>wrote: > > > Yahoo Mail does this kind of rich text editor (including dragging images > off other browser windows). I haven't looked very deeply into it yet, but > it seems to be done primarily with JavaScript. > > Alexey > > > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, phil swenson <phil.swen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: phil swenson <phil.swen...@gmail.com> > > Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea > for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands... > > To: "The Java Posse" <javaposse@googlegroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 10:53 AM > > Uploaders are all over the place in Flash and I really doubt > > that Java > > can do a better job than Flash. Flash's install is > > nicer, faster, > > smaller, and has more market share. > > > > If you really want to provide something interesting I'd > > build a rich > > text editor that can be easily embedded in a web app. > > > > Should have all the standard features for rich text plus > > something > > that flash can't do: paste images from the clipboard > > (and if possible > > drag images from the filesystem). > > > > I have been requesting clipboard paste of the flash team > > for a long > > time and they still haven't delivered in Flash 10. > > Flex doesn't have > > a decent rich text editor component, it's pathetic with > > absolutely no > > image support. The javascript rich edit controls are OK, > > but there is > > huge room for improvement (basic stuff like end key goes to > > end of > > line, tab works right). And they of course can never do an > > image > > paste from clipboard. > > > > This control would be great for an email editor, capturing > > screen- > > shots for a bug tracker, etc. The one thing I don't > > like about gmail > > is I have to add images via the clunky attachment > > interface. I want > > to take a screen-shot and drop it straight in the email and > > be able to > > re-size it directly in the editor. > > > > > > > > -- Michael Kimsal http://jsmag.com - for javascript developers http://groovymag.com - for groovy developers 919.827.4724 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
