blip.tv looks good, doesn't it? On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Joshua Marinacci<jos...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, what we have now is not strictly round trip, but then neither > was Visual Basic. While VB did output GUI form files that were > technically text, they were effectively opaque binary files that you > should never edit by any tool other than VB. Only the event handlers > were code. The JavaFX Production Suite is similar. It outputs an > opaque 'binary' file (really a zip file containing images and easy to > parse text files in a format that will eventually be documented). You > then load up this binary file in code and start adding event handlers > to it. The binary blob can change later by saving over it in Photoshop/ > Illustrator and it still works fine as long as the exposed variable > names haven't changed. I put together a little screencast that shows > how it works: > > http://blip.tv/file/2288262 > > > -j > > On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Casper Bang wrote: > >> >> This may be exactly why JavaFX might fare better than both Swing and >> JSF. Code generated by a RAD editors can not be hand coded at the same >> time, you pretty much have to make the choice up-front, can't have >> them both. So as a first for the Java world, seems like the round-trip >> engineering legacy of Visual Basic is being picked up by JavaFX. I >> hope so anyway. :) >> >> /Casper >> >> On 11 Jul., 01:27, Joshua Marinacci <jos...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Ah. One of our goals with JavaFX is to make it tool friendly but you >>> should still be able to do everything cleanly at the code level. The >>> APIs and language (JavaFX Script) were designed in parallel to make >>> that happen. >>> >>> - J >>> >>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Greg Reddin wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Joshua Marinacci<jos...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> I don't know the >>>>> history of JSF (since I wasn't at Sun for part of it and never >>>>> worked >>>>> with it), but I suspect lack of focus was a part of it. >>> >>>> I suspect some of it was due to a focus on tools vendors. If you're >>>> using a tool to build an app it doesn't much matter if you have a >>>> bunch of XML and the tool updates it for you. It's more a problem if >>>> you're editing things by hand, which is what many of us like to do. >>> >>>> Greg >> > > > > > >
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