sounds like EJB - EJB2 designed by committee and a nightmare to work with. Alternatives spring (no pun intended) up making the technology irrelevent and then aneasier version comes out but no one cares as everyone else has moved on.....
R On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Michael Neale<michael.ne...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes I hear that a lot. Jsf2 is *claimed* to be better: would like to > hear from people that have used it (as opposed to vendors). > > I think it's too little, too late for jsf2. > > Also, even if jsf2 is made of awesome: there needs to be a better > track record of keeping up with the web then was shown in the past (a > fast moving jsr? Not likely). > > On Jul 11, 11:45 pm, Marcelo Morales <marcelomorales.n...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> I love the netcast. Let me say that again. I loooooooove the netcast. >> I look forward to listen to new episodes. Keep up Posse! >> >> now.... >> >> > Bottom line: I'd really like to see The Posse discuss this kind of >> > thing a little more. I'm sure the talent behind JSF was great and well- >> > intentioned, but the community should be putting more attention on the >> > better and more successful products in that same space. >> >> I Agree... totally!. >> >> I do not expect high journalism and professionalism from the Posse. I >> expect personal opinions from seasoned java programmers. I loved Dick >> on ep 262. That's the Spirit!. The thing I love the most is that I am >> not being fed with marketing crap, but with experience from guys that >> live, suffer and enjoy the quirks of the programming profession, just >> as I do; and love the Java, just as I do (I don't find Dick's hating >> of the Groovy a problem). >> >> Allow me to express my opinion, since I feel strongly about JSF: >> >> I've worked with JSF starting late 2004. I've Tried oracle's >> components, apache trinidad, richfaces, shale, myfaces, icefaces, >> facelets, seam, and the woodstock stuff that came with netbeans, coded >> my own components, changed the lifecycle, added custom contexts, used >> the visual designers (netbeans, exadel), and read the specifications: >> 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2. >> >> It wasn't bad. >> >> Then I worked in an application coded in wicket. I saw the light, >> suddenly the grass was greener, the sky opened up and I felt the warn >> sunlight come down into my skin. In only three months I achieved the >> same productivity in wicket as I gained over a year in JSF, even >> without tooling!!. >> >> I don't want to code in JSF. I am not saying i hate it, but I don't >> see any application where it suits better than other alternatives. >> >> You might say JSF 2.0 solves most of the pains. Well, That's five >> years after the first one came out. Say again... FIVE years. >> >> Bottom line: more discussion, more analysis, more preparation, and, if >> deserved, more criticism. >> >> -- >> Marcelo Morales > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
