I apologise. I am not properly trained to use these characters. I am
still not sure what the rule is to use the spoken or unspoken
character.
I will refrain from using them temporarily until I am properly
trained.

Also....Gutenberg was a big jerk! Not that this fact is recorded in
history books. No respect for English letters. I note that the umlaut
versions of the German vowels survived. That said The ë and ï forms
don't seem to be used in modern German so I assume some eastern
european languages or scandinavian languages must use them.

As regards .Net and Java, I find this tricky. The .Net framework was
able to benefit from looking at what worked well in Java and what
didn't and make a number of clever innovations in .Net.

There is a lot of discussion of things like modularisation or
properties or events or runtime support for generics and many other
things which have been available in .Net for some time which for Java
are still quite some time away.

Microsoft may be evil in many instances but they also for their sins
have a lot of money and resources. I think it still remains to be seen
if Java can catch up or even overtake .Net in terms of features even
with Oracle and IBM working on it together.

Sun with Java has made a lot of posturing about being open source but
it has always retained some rights and control such that it is not
totally open. I don't see that changing particularly with Oracle.

In an idealistic world i.e. the one I wish I lived in, Open Source and
Open Standards would run rings around the proprietary ones.
Collaboration of multiple parties would result in better technologies
than one companies proprietary solution.

I am seeing more and more that the dictatorship with should not win in
the ideal world ends up winning in practice. OpenGL 3 for example was
a huge disappointment. OpenGL being an open standard driven by a group
of members. Rather than moving things forward, due to a lot of
squabbling and in fighting progress moved very slowly and agreements
did not get made properly (I bet it was Autodesk's fault). Meanwhile
Microsoft telling the Graphics cards vendors how high to jump and
alone dictating what would be in DirectX it seems these days DirectX
is the trend setter and has overtaken OpenGL (in spite of OpenGL
having a head start and being better to begin with). What went wrong?

The answer is relevant to Java. In the Java world we have the JCP
which by the sounds of it is bogged down with political in-fighting.
Microsoft controls .Net without having to particularly negotiate with
anyone. Java had a head start and to begin with had many parts of the
stack which were cleaner and more sophisticated. As time has gone on
it feels like .Net has kept gaining ground until in many ways it
becomes the trend setter with Java copying what .Net has had for a
while.

Is this idea that open standards and open communities really all it is
hyped up to be in practice given these two examples where the
proprietary standards seems to be winning out?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The 
Java Posse" group.
To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.

Reply via email to