Let me get this.  You are mad because you didn't get some congratulatory 
email within three hours of your offer?  So here you go:

To quote Nike "Just do it".

If you want help, I suggest you use the Marines saying "Follow Me".

And from me.  "Enough talk, go do it"


When you eventually get suck ask for help.

-dain

Trawick, James wrote:

> (taking the developers off this discussion...  they don't need to hear about
> stupid human tricks)
> 
> THANK you!
> 
> If I believed these people I'd think I was going crazy.  Notice how they
> never even paid attention to my offers to help out in documentation.  I've
> worked with several open projects in my time, and JBoss has proven to be by
> far the most closed-minded.  Don't get me wrong, they wrote a beautiful
> piece of code.  Just don't try to talk to them.
> 
> chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Murphy, Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:08 PM
> To: 'Trawick, James'
> Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net; Jboss-User@Lists.
> Sourceforge. Net
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL
> 
> 
> Flashline has problems dealing with some credit card companies.  I also
> personally tried several time to purchase the documentation.  I did finally
> get ahold of a Flashline tech who could only tell me that the credit card
> company rejected the transaction.  This was with a GM MasterCard.  I finally
> did get my employer to purchase the doco with a corporate credit card and
> everything worked fine.  So, you may just need a different credit card, or
> contact the credit card company to see why they reject the transaction.
> 
> Patrick Murphy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trawick, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:33 PM
> To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net; Jboss-User@Lists.
> Sourceforge. Net
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL
> 
> 
> Not unfounded, personally proven.
> 
> In any case there needs to be some sort of kickstart and executive summary
> for the new JBoss features.  If it means that I'll finally get the answers
> I'm looking for without holding for three hours and/or putting up with the
> hellfire here, I'll be more than happy to help produce that.
> 
> I was not aware that the docs for sale were actually available.  My
> experience has been the exact opposite.  On three separate occaisons over
> the past couple of months I've attempted to purchase the clustering
> documentation.  Each time I received a message saying that there was a
> problem with their side of the transaction and a support rep would be in
> contact with me.  Despite multiple attempts to open communications about
> these cases with Flashline, they have failed to do so.  Emails apparently
> went to the bit bucket and their phone support reps have proven to be
> anywhere from rude to utterly incompetant.  So for my purposes, the docs
> aren't real because for whatever reason I can't get to them despite my
> willingness to pay the mere $10 for quality documentation.  At least they
> didn't charge me for it.
> 
> chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:10 PM
> To: Trawick, James
> Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net; Jboss-User@Lists.
> Sourceforge. Net
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL
> 
> 
> Clustering docs are available for purchase.
> 
> http://www.flashline.com/components/productsbyvendor.jsp?&vendorid=1376&affi
> liateid=260343
> 
> I've also written an article on "clustering" JBoss 2.4.x
> 
> http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2001/09/18/jboss.html
> 
> Clustering features in JBoss beta:
> HA-JNDI, HA-RMI, EJBs(EB, SLSB, SFSB) Failover and load-balancing
> 
> The code for HTTP Session Failover is in CVS, but is a work in progress.
> Ask Sacha and Julian how it's going.  I don't work on this stuff.  HTTP
> Session Failover will probably only be available for Jetty.
> 
> I don't know what you're talking about when you say docs for sale aren't
> real, because we've already sold at least a 100 copies of the clustering
> docs.  Sacha and I have gotten good feedback on these docs so your
> complaints are unfounded.
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>>Trawick, James
>>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:28 PM
>>To: 'David Ward'
>>Cc: 'marc fleury'; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net;
>>Jboss-User@Lists. Sourceforge. Net
>>Subject: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL
>>
>>
>>What I'm really interested in is the more corporate questions (we're still
>>battling for JBoss over Weblogic, and clustering is a real sore
>>point).  How
>>does JBoss 3 clustering interact with web container clustering?
>>If they're
>>completely separate (which I'm pretty sure is the case, as it was
>>last time
>>I walked through the code), how can I put together a full clustered J2EE
>>stack with JBoss and (for example) Tomcat/Catalina?  To what level does
>>JBoss provide high-availability?  What are some failover scenarios?  How
>>does one initiate a graceful failover for server maintenance?  How
>>flexible/controllable is JBoss clustering in reality?
>>
>>
> 
> Failover scenarios?
> - failed network card
> - server crash
> - application crash
> - What else?
> 
> Initiate graceful failover for Server maintainance?
> Just gracefully shutdown jboss.  The Cluster dynamically figures out
> topology.  Topology information is piggy-backed over invocation responses to
> client proxies when it changes.
> 
> How flexible/controllable?
> We wanted to keep things as simple as possible for the initial release to
> reduce code complexity and make sure we get the core things correct.  If you
> want to know how flexible, buy the docs.  It's only $10.00.
> 
> Bill
> 
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