Another proud graduate of the Marc Fleury school of tact.

I think that your earlier "Cry me a river." was probably more annoying.

-danch

Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> Let me get this.  You are mad because you didn't get some congratulatory 
> email within three hours of your offer?  So here you go:
> 
> To quote Nike "Just do it".
> 
> If you want help, I suggest you use the Marines saying "Follow Me".
> 
> And from me.  "Enough talk, go do it"
> 
> 
> When you eventually get suck ask for help.
> 
> -dain
> 
> Trawick, James wrote:
> 
>> (taking the developers off this discussion...  they don't need to hear 
>> about
>> stupid human tricks)
>>
>> THANK you!
>>
>> If I believed these people I'd think I was going crazy.  Notice how they
>> never even paid attention to my offers to help out in documentation.  
>> I've
>> worked with several open projects in my time, and JBoss has proven to 
>> be by
>> far the most closed-minded.  Don't get me wrong, they wrote a beautiful
>> piece of code.  Just don't try to talk to them.
>>
>> chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Murphy, Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:08 PM
>> To: 'Trawick, James'
>> Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net; Jboss-User@Lists.
>> Sourceforge. Net
>> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL
>>
>>
>> Flashline has problems dealing with some credit card companies.  I also
>> personally tried several time to purchase the documentation.  I did 
>> finally
>> get ahold of a Flashline tech who could only tell me that the credit card
>> company rejected the transaction.  This was with a GM MasterCard.  I 
>> finally
>> did get my employer to purchase the doco with a corporate credit card and
>> everything worked fine.  So, you may just need a different credit 
>> card, or
>> contact the credit card company to see why they reject the transaction.
>>
>> Patrick Murphy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Trawick, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:33 PM
>> To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net; Jboss-User@Lists.
>> Sourceforge. Net
>> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL
>>
>>
>> Not unfounded, personally proven.
>>
>> In any case there needs to be some sort of kickstart and executive 
>> summary
>> for the new JBoss features.  If it means that I'll finally get the 
>> answers
>> I'm looking for without holding for three hours and/or putting up with 
>> the
>> hellfire here, I'll be more than happy to help produce that.
>>
>> I was not aware that the docs for sale were actually available.  My
>> experience has been the exact opposite.  On three separate occaisons over
>> the past couple of months I've attempted to purchase the clustering
>> documentation.  Each time I received a message saying that there was a
>> problem with their side of the transaction and a support rep would be in
>> contact with me.  Despite multiple attempts to open communications about
>> these cases with Flashline, they have failed to do so.  Emails apparently
>> went to the bit bucket and their phone support reps have proven to be
>> anywhere from rude to utterly incompetant.  So for my purposes, the docs
>> aren't real because for whatever reason I can't get to them despite my
>> willingness to pay the mere $10 for quality documentation.  At least they
>> didn't charge me for it.
>>
>> chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:10 PM
>> To: Trawick, James
>> Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net; Jboss-User@Lists.
>> Sourceforge. Net
>> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL
>>
>>
>> Clustering docs are available for purchase.
>>
>> http://www.flashline.com/components/productsbyvendor.jsp?&vendorid=1376&affi 
>>
>> liateid=260343
>>
>> I've also written an article on "clustering" JBoss 2.4.x
>>
>> http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2001/09/18/jboss.html
>>
>> Clustering features in JBoss beta:
>> HA-JNDI, HA-RMI, EJBs(EB, SLSB, SFSB) Failover and load-balancing
>>
>> The code for HTTP Session Failover is in CVS, but is a work in progress.
>> Ask Sacha and Julian how it's going.  I don't work on this stuff.  HTTP
>> Session Failover will probably only be available for Jetty.
>>
>> I don't know what you're talking about when you say docs for sale aren't
>> real, because we've already sold at least a 100 copies of the clustering
>> docs.  Sacha and I have gotten good feedback on these docs so your
>> complaints are unfounded.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>>> Trawick, James
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:28 PM
>>> To: 'David Ward'
>>> Cc: 'marc fleury'; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net;
>>> Jboss-User@Lists. Sourceforge. Net
>>> Subject: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL
>>>
>>>
>>> What I'm really interested in is the more corporate questions (we're 
>>> still
>>> battling for JBoss over Weblogic, and clustering is a real sore
>>> point).  How
>>> does JBoss 3 clustering interact with web container clustering?
>>> If they're
>>> completely separate (which I'm pretty sure is the case, as it was
>>> last time
>>> I walked through the code), how can I put together a full clustered J2EE
>>> stack with JBoss and (for example) Tomcat/Catalina?  To what level does
>>> JBoss provide high-availability?  What are some failover scenarios?  How
>>> does one initiate a graceful failover for server maintenance?  How
>>> flexible/controllable is JBoss clustering in reality?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Failover scenarios?
>> - failed network card
>> - server crash
>> - application crash
>> - What else?
>>
>> Initiate graceful failover for Server maintainance?
>> Just gracefully shutdown jboss.  The Cluster dynamically figures out
>> topology.  Topology information is piggy-backed over invocation 
>> responses to
>> client proxies when it changes.
>>
>> How flexible/controllable?
>> We wanted to keep things as simple as possible for the initial release to
>> reduce code complexity and make sure we get the core things correct.  
>> If you
>> want to know how flexible, buy the docs.  It's only $10.00.
>>
>> Bill
>>
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