david  after reading your message i get the idea you think a person has to
decide 
between great scripts for i e and end task,  never did i suggest that.

my point about  i e 4 is that while i personally like and use it and think it
is better, that  one gains only about 15 to 30 percent extra  access.
depending on how well it works on your system, in my system it did not work all
the way.
it also can speed up getting the info.
both things i like.
so if you think i was saying i did not want this you are wrong.
i want both scripts for ie 4 and end task access, and no both are very
reasonable request based on the fact the competition can do it.

by point about the browser still holds, though, if hj had not written any
scripts you could still get all that access through home page reader or web
speak.

also i was not saying that netscape or opera could do all that  ie and the  jfw
scripts could do, i was saying with all the other 4 tools i am pretty certain
that a user could access all the same sights even if hj had never maid those
scripts.
obviously that solution would not be as practical or as easy as hj solution.
still the person could get the job done.
so if their job depended on that info they could access it.
which  by the way their is only one way to completely get rid of everything in
background.
their is no other option that allows the user to do this except end task.
their are options that allow a person to get rid of half of it.
which believe me i do.

by the way both win eyes and  artic have super charged options for i e 5 and
also provide access to end task.
they never said  we can do one or the other.
they do both.

by the way  you are right about how great it would be to use  end task to
reboot just a single window, and not have to reboot the whole system,
when a lock up occurs.
of course i did not even mention this because i found another way to do this.
with third party software.
though because it is free  to sighted people that own win 9x i also think blind
people should not have to buy and learn third party software to do it.
so now we have to good reasons for makeing end task available.


i am only asking for what  sighted people already have, access to the operating
system and not some specialized tool here.

if you want to believe hj  is financially strapped and it is a matter of trade
offs more power to you, but a little simple math should  say that hj has
grossed about 24 million plus.
and that  guess is being conservative.


bill cameron








At 01:52 AM 3/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I agree that the
>end task menu should be accessible, but let's keep things in
>perspective. Closing the apps on the task bar is sufficient to prevent
>damaging your system when installing software. The only time you're
>likely to use alt control delete is when the machine locks up or won't
>shut down properly. In short, in's nice to have but you won't use it
>every day. In theory you're right. The operating system should be
>fully accessible before working on individual applications. But in
>practice, this is not a good policy. People buy computers for the
>applications not the OS. Otherwise an inferior system like Windows
>wouldn't be so popular. I know, for example, that I got much more use
>and benefit from the IE4 scripts than I ever could have gotten out of
>being able to access the end task menu.
>By the way, access to the internet is much better with IE4 than with
>IE3 or Netscape. I know because i've used all 3 programs extensively.
>
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