On 1/10/08, Partho Datta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While agreeing with Mr. Kachhap that "no religion teaches hatred", > nothing spreads hatred better than religion especially when it takes on the > garb of Fascism. >
Partha, You are terribly wrong here. According to semitic religions (Chritianity/Islam) only their gods and religion are true. And all others are considered infidel/kafir and will go to hell eternally. Thusthey find a need to convert by hook or crook. What is happening to Orissa tribals is exactly that. Just by defending Hinduism how come you call us fascists? How come tens of thousands of accounts of Islamic terrorism, violent riots, aggressive demands -- has no such term. Hindus today are no more mild and meek, thanks to aggressive posturing by semitic religions. We certainlyu do nto want to end up like Kashmiri Hindus or like our brethren in Pakistan or Bangladesh. Conversion of almost 100% tribals to Christianity in Nagaland has led to cries for separation and Nagaland for Christ. The hand of the church is very clear herer. (Christian Terrorism in Northeast India www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm No sir, you can term us anything, Hindus will not be fooled anymore. Since I have broken one of my rules, that is used a label, I must define > what I mean as Fascism. > Fascism simply tries to build unity through the Us vs Them paradigm. It is > a very simple line of thought, one that appeals to the lowest and least > sensitive of intelligences, thus guaranteeing numbers. > The examples from history are too many but a few will bear enumeration: > Nazi Germany, Stalinist Communism, Radical Islam, Rabid Americanism, ugly > Hindutva and several brands of proselytising Christianity who are fighting > for public space not only against other faiths but other forms of > Christianity as well. > It will do us well to know, identify and guard against these. > PArtho Datta > > kachhapbk2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <kachhapbk2%40yahoo.com>> wrote: --- In > [email protected] <Jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.in>, Partho Datta > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I agree to what Mr. Partho Dutta says. This is a fruitless unending > debate. Blaming a particular community without any indepth study and > experience is WRONG. None of the religion teaches hatred and > violence. I feel sorry that since there's no moderation on this > JHARKHAND NETWORK people have written things which will hurt a > persons sentiment, belief and faith. > Instead of discussing what the administration has been doing in > Orissa few members are writing things which is not expected on this > forum. I seriously doubt their integrity. > I'd request the moderator not to allow such posting to appear on > this forum. > I am proud to be a Tribal and I am also proud to be a Roman Catholic > and so are my Hindu,Muslims, Sikh and Buddhist friends. > Let's put in our rational thinking on this forum and make it a > better place. > B K Kachhap > > > The first casualty is truth. > > What actually did happen? There seem to be as many versions as > there are sides to this debate. > > And please, could this discourse continue without mindless > throwing of labels? > > Partho Datta > > > > Saurabh Abhishek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: Uplifting the lives of > unprivileged is great and noble thing to do, but I > > have seen enough what > > the missionaries exactly do. The truth is far from what they say. > > "Uplifting" essentially means brainwashing and false promises > most of the > > times. > > I saying this because I have seen this innumerable times. > > I belong to place in remote Gumla, before the missionaries > arrived there was > > no animosity between in the > > ppl atleast on religious grounds, nobody actually cared about the > > religion.The religion was the way it should be, personal and > practiced with > > no fanaticism. Now the so called developement has made people to > ask their > > children to stay at home because its "their" festival not "ours". > I am not > > blaming any particular community but the for the animosity > factor , yes I > > blame the missionaries. > > > > I have seen those half educated chaps preaching that > having "Prasad" from a > > Hindu friend is a sin. > > Sad to say but they are doing nothing but spreading religious > hatred. > > So, thats why I will end up saying any connection between > missionaries and > > developement is purely > > coincidental. > > > > On Jan 9, 2008 12:34 PM, anuperickujur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > People who help others in lifting their own down-trodden > lives cannot > > > be blamed for creating such unnecessary tensions. The tribals > who > > > have been persecuted reside in places where there is very little > > > means of having a fruitful living. People from the outside > world come > > > to help them move into places which they can never imagine of. > The > > > lives of many such innocent tribals have been bettered by such > > > missionary activities. But on the contrary, the people with > whom they > > > are living among, on a day of joyous celebrations, clamp a > shutdown > > > on all festive activities. This is a violation of human rights, > where > > > the suffering people have not been allowed to express their > feelings > > > and desires. The shutdown was not a government order or any > court > > > ruling or the decision of a block officer. This was instigated > on the > > > mere information of a seer who proclaimed that he feared for > his life > > > on the day of Christmas. Such baseless testimonials hold no > ground. > > > And the people instead of applying their brains, go by their > > > sentiments to create such unnecessary ruckus, disrupting life > and > > > daily commitments. Don't people of different communities in > India > > > celebrate Holi, Diwali, Id together? This is our unity in > diversity. > > > So why not celebrate Christmas together? > > > Secondly, the people who are trying to uplift the lives of the > not-so- > > > fortunate are instigated through the acts of forced > conversions. Let > > > us recall that India is one of the countries where most of the > poor > > > live below the poverty level. The people need lives, so that > their > > > dreams can be fulfilled. But the orthodox thoughts of the old > and the > > > communalists want the poor to be in the state that they are so > they > > > cannot come up in thoughts, words and actions. The communalists > know > > > that if the people get better education and rise in their > standards > > > of living, their own personal interests will be hampered, as > the now > > > down-trodden will have better lives, think independently, not be > > > dependent on the offerings of the landlords, and know the law > better. > > > But can we sacrifice the betterment of the people and the > country for > > > the petty selfish thoughts some black-hearted people. This is > me is > > > inexcusable. > > > In fact, let us work together in our individual ways to better > the > > > society, and let each and every Indian grow, so that the country > > > develops. Let us all be a missionary, with the mission to > develop the > > > people of the country. Let us forget that the word missionary is > > > reserved only for religious people. No! Let us all be a light > to each > > > other, and let each one grow. For the growth of the people is > the > > > growth of the country. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > <Jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.in><Jharkhand% > 40yahoogroups.co.in>, v > > > <ahvenkitesh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Missionary activties are responsible for disrupting previously > > > cohesive and > > > > harmonious communities. > > > > I have sympathy for the poor tribals. None of the NGOs, > > > government, media > > > > has paid attention to their plight. If at all they have been > > > branded as > > > > Hindutva and demonized. > > > > > > > > Whereas Christians are portrayed as the persecutedvictims and > given > > > all the > > > > sympathy when they are the real aggressors. > > > > Wherever Christian missionaries have gone in this world ... > they > > > have > > > > destroyed adn enslaved the native people. Africa, Americas, > > > Aborigines of > > > > Australia etc. So please do not believe tgheir human rights > > > propaganda. > > > > > > > > Christians have Destroyed Various Ethnic Cultures of the > World ... > > > > www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php? > > > type=ARTICLES&id=1130195242 > > > > > > > > Genocide of Natives in the Western Hemisphere, starting 1492 > CE > > > > www.religioustolerance.org/genocide5.htm > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
