colin wrote:
> 
> So the RC's are finally doing 'something' about their abusing priests.
> Any chance they will be jailed for life and stripped of their
> priesthood? Doubt it.

Lots of priests have been defrocked already, some even before the
current publicity. Some priests have been sent to jail. Too many,
though, and one is too many, were just moved around and reassigned so
they ended up with a whole new group of children to abuse, and their new
supervisors had no clue about their tendencies. That's criminal.

 As for the Bishop of Boston, surely at the very
> least he should be jailed for aiding and abetting serious crimes?

It's a real show of arrogance that he doesn't at least resign, although
supposedly the pope won't let him resign. It's bad enough that there was
so much abuse, hidden by church authorities for so long, but to now keep
giving apologies is an empty gesture. The NY bishop has done that a few
times in letters read during the services in church. Stop with the
apologies already, and actually do something to keep such abuse from
ever happening again.

Considering allowing priests to marry or allowing women to be priests
needs to be part of the current dialogue, not only among parishioners
where it's been discussed for years, but among the bishops also.
Unfortunately, the bishops are the only ones who have any power in the
Catholic Church, unless the parishioners revolt en masse. That's
happening now. Catholics are pissed off!

The pope has said he won't even consider such subjects as married men or
women priests, and at one point years ago was tempted and almost tried
to do that "speaking from the chair" thing that popes are allowed to do,
and which has only been done ONE TIME and that was regarding some Mary
dogma. So, that goes to show how serious this current pope is about not
allowing any changes regarding the priesthood. It's hard to imagine he
would be a positive force in this situation, no matter how dramatic his
calling the American bishops to Rome is... it's just another show. He
seems to pray a lot; he doesn't seem to listen very well.

As one of my favorite Jesuit priests says, the current pope has put the
church back 50 years. I hope the next pope comes soon and does something
more than try to hold onto an outdated status quo. 

> What will happen is we will get told a  load of claptrap and excuses and it
> will be forgotten and children will continue being the victims of this
> silence.

The church merely reflects society (rather than living up to its
expressed ideals, unfortunately), so the only positive thing from the
pain that so many people have suffered is that child abuse can never be
hidden again, not in the thorough way it has been, which doesn't mean
some people won't still abuse children and try to cover it up. I think
and hope that such covering up will be harder to do now, not only in the
Church but everywhere.

> perhaps it will go someway to helping people see that priests are as
> human as everyone else and not deserving of the exaltation they recieve.
> (I believe no human being should be exalted over another-equal is
> equal.)

A lot of Catholics had some disdain for priests even before the current
revelations of the horrible actions of some of them. To many people,
priests too often considered themselves superior to the mere person in
the pew, which is strange considering that it's the people sitting in
the pews week after week who pay their salary, give them lifetime
financial support, advanced education, a home, healthcare, travel
expenses, who listen to what they say and usually automatically respect
them. Cradle Catholics especially have it ingrained in them to respect
"Father", no matter what "Father" might be doing.

It's important to keep in mind that NOT ALL priests are pedophiles, just
as not all ministers are, not all fathers are, not all teachers are. The
jokes that people are saying on the list and that I'm hearing on tv can
be funny, but they're pain-causing also. Non-Catholics especially seem
to be enjoying taking big swats at the entire church, even though they
have only the most superficial, sensationalistic information. 

I know some very fine priests, closely enough to know their struggles,
to know that in spite of those struggles they live with integrity within
what they recognize is a lousy system because they truly believe in God
and want to share their awareness of God's love with everyone. It pains
me to see all priests being painted with the same brush. However, since
they are all part of the church system, perhaps they are all to blame,
and if that's the case, parishioners are all to blame also. It may be
time, enough parishioners may be angry enough, that there will be some
changes made in Church structure. If not, there won't be enough money
given to keep the current system going, and it will have to change,
somehow, because of that.

Debra Shea

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