Interesting idea.  Can you grant future clients the right to use this code,
since it's owned by the first client?

-glenn


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>
> Glenn makes some great suggestions around the idea of mutually inclusive
> rights. We actually do the opposite of what Glenn suggests, but with
> nearly the same end-result. Our contract normally assigns ownership to
> the client, but then transfers unlimited license back to the developer.
> This has been a little easier to get through legal approval than the
> other way around. Sample wording...
>
> "Any work product resulting from [Contractor's] services under this
> Agreement will become the property of [Client] and shall be considered
> to be a "work made for hire. [Client] hereby grants to [Contractor] a
> worldwide, royalty free, non-exclusive license in perpetuity to utilize
> the source code developed for [Client] under this Agreement."
>
> Doug Raymond
> ngenius media inc.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Glenn Crocker
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:02 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Intellectual property question
>
>
>
> Some ideas and recommendations from a non-lawyer:
>
> This goes to whether the work was done as a "work for hire".  If you
> were a full-time contractor working on-site at the client building a
> custom set of cfm files for them, the work is pretty clearly theirs (in
> the absense of a contract).
>
> If you did the work at your own pace, in your own office, using your own
> equipment, then you can claim copyright much more easily.
>
> My recommendation would be to construct the contract now, in your favor,
> by:
>
> 1.  Putting a 'Copyright 2004, Billy Cox' (or whatever) message in each
> cfm file 2.  Writing up (or having a lawyer write up) a grant of
> perpetual non-exclusive license for your client.  This has the
> substantial advantage of giving them something (clear license to the
> code) rather than taking something away (ownership of the copyright).
> You imply that they never had it, which maybe they didn't.
>
> In my firm, we own copyright to all code created, and grant clients
> license to use that code.  This is always the case for reusable modules,
> but if a client wants to own the copyright on pages or code that are 90%
> specific to that client/project, that's fine with us.  (From time to
> time, we'll sign a contract that grants the client ownership of the
> code, but only on projects where we wouldn't want the code anyhow,
> because little of it would be
> reusable.)
>
> Another situation where I grant copyright is where I'm doing product
> development for small businesses.  If it's their product, they deserve
> to own it!  (So if this CMS is your client's product, not just a tool
> they'll be using, they really need to own it.)
>
> -glenn
>
>
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> > Behalf Of Billy Cox
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> > Subject: [KCFusion] Intellectual property question
> >
> >
> > Let's say that I develop a content management application for a
> > client. The client provides images and content, I provide the layout,
> > navigational scheme and application that makes it all work.
> >
> > Without a contract to define otherwise, who owns what?
> >
> > I assume that the client owns content and images. Can the client also
> > claim ownership of the application (cfm) files and/or database?
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -Billy Cox
> >
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