I for one want to thank both of you for showing us these facinating
techniques.
As a retired goldsmith and lacemaker I can understand the skill and time
involved in the work.

Avital - you are saying that your pictures are of the work of a machine?  Can
you discribe more about the 'machine' part, it is out of the picture I
believe.

It seems to me this would be somewhat comparable to the 'wire lace' some of us
have/are doing.

Lorri



>
> I think the source of the confusion is that we're talking about two
> different techniques, both called Spanier arbeit. If you look at my
> photos of the machine with a work in progress, you will see that it is
> very different from the German PDF. I translated parts of the PDF and
> examined the photos quite carefully to compare them. The machine that
> I saw actually weaves a thin metallic ribbon over and under 4 cords.
> The Austrian version that you refer to uses a much wider metallic
> ribbon or wire and coils it around two supporting cords.
>
> The Austrian version looks quite fragile and is more suitable for the
> women's elaborate head-dresses in the photos. The Jewish examples in
> the Israel Museum use a braid form along the collar of a prayer shawl.
> This part of the tallit must be very durable because it is constantly
> being folded and shaken out and handled. It would also have to be
> quite flexible because it drapes around the neck. You couldn't do that
> with the version of Spanier arbeit that is used for the German
> head-dresses.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Avital
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:40 AM, [email protected]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Spanier Arbeit has not much to do with bobbin lace. I’ll try to explain
> > (having learned it some 15 or so years ago), but give you as well a link
> > to a pdf where you will find good fotos.
> > You work on a bolster pillow on a tape lace-like pattern. While working,
> > two ticker cotton threads follow the outline of the tape. A flat wire is
> > wound around both cotton threads and fixed with one metallic thread on
> > each side. You simply turn two or four times on each side, then wound
> > again the flat metal wire around both.
> >
> > Here is the link:
> > http://members.aon.at/rosamichl/Anleitung_Lam_technik.pdf
> > The homepage to it is:
> > http://members.aon.at/rosamichl/page_1_1.html
> > You will see that this kind of work was/is used for traditional hats in
> > southern Germany and Swizzerland.
> > Mrs Selb explains, that the technique was a  well kept secret. There was
> > only one woman in her area who was able to make it. She took about 360
> > hours for one cap.
> >
> > Gabriele
>

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