Or get him back on loan in January?
On Sunday, October 15, 2017, 11:38:21 AM EDT, Simon McNally
<simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
Absolutely. He would fit the "complete midfielder " bill!
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> On 15 Oct 2017, at 16:23, Nicholas Armit <arm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Wish we had kept Cook
>
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>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>>
>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I was
>> so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the
>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play
>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre back.
>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee and
>> not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
>>
>> Simon
>>
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>>> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
>>>
>>> In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the
>>> last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan
>>> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last
>>> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the
>>> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off !
>>> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself.
>>>
>>> Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him
>>> for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside carcrash
>>> Cooper.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally
>>> <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away
>>> a bad goal.
>>> I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to not
>>> get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a long
>>> way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling, who has
>>> been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him. I
>>> knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us
>>> comes back and scores.
>>> I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us
>>> arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think
>>> Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and
>>> falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to
>>> grow a pair.
>>> As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a
>>> big bloke and Grot looks useless.
>>> A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too..
>>> Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is
>>> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get
>>> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't
>>> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off
>>> when they're not..
>>> Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy
>>> to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
>>> There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been
>>> thinking which positions need strengthening.
>>> Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
>>>
>>> GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any
>>> saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be
>>> the long term solution.
>>>
>>> RB : happy with Ayling
>>>
>>> LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a
>>> left back.
>>>
>>> RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his
>>> attitude.
>>>
>>> LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for calling
>>> him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make up for
>>> his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to get
>>> rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to bring
>>> the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly scored.
>>> He's not a player in a promotion team for me.
>>>
>>> RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings
>>> it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.
>>>
>>> LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks
>>> and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a
>>> promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This
>>> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward,
>>> winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us
>>> to throw whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that -
>>> trouble is, I can't think of too many. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced positions..
>>>
>>> RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian Messi"
>>> tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds said, I think
>>> Roofe was poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight and league
>>> one is probably his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now.
>>>
>>> LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more time diving
>>> for free kicks than anything else. He's got real class but misplaced loads
>>> of easy passes today. I think he's in decline. I'd look for an upgrade or
>>> give Dallas a run.
>>>
>>> CF : thought Lasogga looked the business to start with, but in fairness I
>>> think I'd have looked good against Burton. Needs to work a lot harder and
>>> maybe this is why he's not played much for Hamburg. Again , hard to judge
>>> him when he doesn't get much service but he didn't really do much himself.
>>>
>>> I make my shopping list :
>>> Experienced complete midfielder
>>> Goalkeeper
>>> Left back
>>> Centre back
>>> Winger
>>> Striker
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
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>>>> On 14 Oct 2017, at 19:37, {broken-address} Richard Walker
>>>> <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just
>>>> didn't look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good decision
>>>> but he now has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look to
>>>> whether he should develop a Plan B.
>>>> It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we were
>>>> put under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see the
>>>> players thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We
>>>> continually put herself under pressure because to play this system you
>>>> need at least one midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make
>>>> things happen. Both O'Kane and Philips didn't seem to want to do this. It
>>>> took TC 45 minutes to see that this wasn't working and he changed it
>>>> second half by moving O'Kane deep to sit between them and start the moves.
>>>> It was better but I still don't think we're a team that is capable of
>>>> playing this type of football in the championship. And whilst we've been
>>>> praising TC and slagging Garry Monk (me included) maybe we should now
>>>> begin to question whether Monk's limited tactics and straight forward
>>>> approach with a hungry team might be a better way forward to this
>>>> continental game that TC is trying to adopt with players who find it hard t
>> o
>>> pass a ball at times.
>>>> The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't have
>>>> anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he is shite
>>>> at 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the ground and
>>>> when Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can look
>>>> ineffective in the air.
>>>> I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two
>>>> central midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of the
>>>> season the TC had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips into
>>>> a new , young superstar. I think we can reflect and see that Philips got a
>>>> 4 year contract based on a few goals and half decent games against the
>>>> poorer teams in the league. In fact, our results have come against the
>>>> weaker teams in the leagues and if you take an objective look at the table
>>>> and who we have played you'd have to say a mid table finish with this team
>>>> is about right.
>>>> However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we have
>>>> some better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and maybe pick
>>>> players more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on last
>>>> year but I think the next few games are the true test of TC and his team.
>>>> I remember Wagner adopted this style and was crucified by some Town fans
>>>> after variable results but he stuck to his task , got some players in who
>>>> can handle it and he ended up in the PL.
>>>> As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in
>>>> confidence , poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players.
>>>> Their big striker had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead in
>>>> the first half - you rarely see a central defender left for dead like he
>>>> did to Cooper. There weren't many chances (I don't think we had any) and
>>>> Lonergan made a decent save for their only chance. The worrying thing for
>>>> me though is that we played 45 mins looking like a team who weren't that
>>>> bothered. We struggled to put 2 passes together and in midfield we didn't
>>>> compete. Hernandez was again relegated to the left wing and Saiz was
>>>> playing high up the park and as a result hardly had a kick as we struggled
>>>> to take control of the game.
>>>> Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the
>>>> introduction of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change things.
>>>> He gave us a bit of pace and a bit of directness that seemed to spur us
>>>> on. Suddenly we wanted it and Saiz started to get on the ball and we
>>>> started to llok dangerous. However as we pushed forward Reading did us on
>>>> the break with a simple goal scored by Barrow - when he came it on someone
>>>> commented that it was inevitable he was going to score. He nearly scored
>>>> prior to the goal with a hard shot which was well saved by Lonergan.
>>>> We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying over
>>>> from 6 yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we got what we
>>>> deserved as Saiz jinked into the box and was brought down.
>>>> Hernandes, the king of penalties, stepped up and placed it with no pace,
>>>> on the floor about 1 yard from the keeper. The easiest penalty save ever.
>>>> Hernandes sank to his knees. Summed up the whole day and the performance
>>>> perfectly.
>>>> There's so many positive things going on at ER at the moment, the
>>>> atmosphere is great pre-match and the big crowds are coming back however I
>>>> think there's definitely a mini-crisis at the moment which is going to
>>>> take some hard work to get out of. I go from thinking TC will pull it out
>>>> of the bag and then I think he's actually out of his depth as a
>>>> championship manager. Time will tell.
>>>> Scores:
>>>> Lonergan - 7. Good decision, he looked much more solid and made some good
>>>> saves. But why the fuck did we get rid of Rob Green - what a fuck up TC
>>>> has made there.
>>>> Ayling - 6. Did ok but seemed under pressure and made mistakes
>>>> Beradi - 6. Was up against their best player and I think first half he was
>>>> given the run around a bit however even on a yellow card Beradi give him a
>>>> good battle. I think TC took Beradi off cos he was heading for a red as
>>>> the pressure mounted.
>>>> Jansson - 5. Doesn't look like the same player to me. I think his partner
>>>> didn't help plus the constant switching of pairings isn't helping either.
>>>> Cooper - 4. I don't like him bringing the ball out from the back - he is
>>>> incapable , I don't like his defending at times when he just looks like an
>>>> accident waiting to happen. An incident in the 2nd half summed up Cooper.
>>>> Reading were in the area, Cooper made a brilliant last ditch tackle and
>>>> brought the ball away but he seemed to get caught off balance and ended up
>>>> having the ball taken off him and Reading gained possession again and
>>>> should have scored. He's a dodgy defender I'm afraid.
>>>> O'Kane - 5. Horrendous first half but second half I thought he did his
>>>> best to try and make things happen. He had a couple of woeful shots but at
>>>> least he looked like he cared.
>>>> Philips - 2. I've always had a problem with this lad and to be fair to him
>>>> at times this season you could argue he looks like he might be kicking
>>>> on.... Well, I was never convinced and I think his performances in the
>>>> last half a dozen games have shown he is not up to it and I do think his
>>>> performances a major part of why we are struggling. He is one paced and he
>>>> sits in games and doesn't get involved. His contribution to the first half
>>>> was zilch, nothing, fuck all. Second half he made one or two tackles but
>>>> watch him next game.. For someone who we know has a decent engine (I think
>>>> ?) he doesn't track his man and strolls around the pitch. I wanted to see
>>>> him flying around putting in those Forest type tackles but he doesn't. I
>>>> think together with O'Kane they are without doubt our biggest weakness.
>>>> Come on TC it's time for Vierra.
>>>> Roofe - 3. He started fairly lively without being that effective but he
>>>> just faded into insignificance. He is no winger and I still maintain he's
>>>> no championship player. He will score goals for a lower league team and
>>>> that's where he should be playing.
>>>> Hernandez - 5. He had a poor game but what I like about him is that he
>>>> always gets invovled , he chases and he tries things. You could never say
>>>> that about Philips. His pens have been good up to now so I think like a
>>>> lot of the players he is suffering from the lull we are in.
>>>> Saiz - 6. Hardly had a kick first half but came into 2nd half and it
>>>> looked like to me that he saved all his effort for the last 15 mins. He
>>>> needs someone behind him to be effective.
>>>> Lasogga - 3. Very disappointed with him today. This was up there with the
>>>> worst of Chris Wood. For a big bloke he gets knocked off the ball too
>>>> easily and he is shite in the air. I thought he was a beast against Burton
>>>> but he was obviously up against shite that day. He looks like a big fairy.
>>>> Subs;
>>>> Sackoshit - 7 CHanged the game without any end product
>>>> Grot - 0 He looked good against Forest, since then he's hardly done
>>>> anything of any merit.
>>>> Dallas - not on long enough
>>>> TC - needs to make some big decisions.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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