Or get him back on loan in January? On Sunday, October 15, 2017, 11:38:21 AM EDT, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote: Absolutely. He would fit the "complete midfielder " bill!
Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Oct 2017, at 16:23, Nicholas Armit <arm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Wish we had kept Cook > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 15, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote: >> >> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I was >> so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too. >> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the >> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play >> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre back. >> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee and >> not enough getting stuck in and fighting. >> >> Simon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written. >>> >>> In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the >>> last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan >>> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last >>> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the >>> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off ! >>> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself. >>> >>> Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him >>> for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside carcrash >>> Cooper. >>> >>> On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally >>> <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away >>> a bad goal. >>> I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to not >>> get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a long >>> way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling, who has >>> been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him. I >>> knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us >>> comes back and scores. >>> I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us >>> arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think >>> Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and >>> falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to >>> grow a pair. >>> As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a >>> big bloke and Grot looks useless. >>> A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too.. >>> Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is >>> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get >>> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't >>> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off >>> when they're not.. >>> Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy >>> to do it after a win but again I think that's poor. >>> There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been >>> thinking which positions need strengthening. >>> Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home). >>> >>> GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any >>> saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be >>> the long term solution. >>> >>> RB : happy with Ayling >>> >>> LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a >>> left back. >>> >>> RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his >>> attitude. >>> >>> LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for calling >>> him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make up for >>> his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to get >>> rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to bring >>> the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly scored. >>> He's not a player in a promotion team for me. >>> >>> RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings >>> it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him. >>> >>> LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks >>> and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a >>> promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This >>> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, >>> winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us >>> to throw whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that - >>> trouble is, I can't think of too many. Any thoughts? >>> >>> CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced positions.. >>> >>> RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian Messi" >>> tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds said, I think >>> Roofe was poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight and league >>> one is probably his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now. >>> >>> LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more time diving >>> for free kicks than anything else. He's got real class but misplaced loads >>> of easy passes today. I think he's in decline. I'd look for an upgrade or >>> give Dallas a run. >>> >>> CF : thought Lasogga looked the business to start with, but in fairness I >>> think I'd have looked good against Burton. Needs to work a lot harder and >>> maybe this is why he's not played much for Hamburg. Again , hard to judge >>> him when he doesn't get much service but he didn't really do much himself. >>> >>> I make my shopping list : >>> Experienced complete midfielder >>> Goalkeeper >>> Left back >>> Centre back >>> Winger >>> Striker >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 14 Oct 2017, at 19:37, {broken-address} Richard Walker >>>> <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just >>>> didn't look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good decision >>>> but he now has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look to >>>> whether he should develop a Plan B. >>>> It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we were >>>> put under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see the >>>> players thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We >>>> continually put herself under pressure because to play this system you >>>> need at least one midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make >>>> things happen. Both O'Kane and Philips didn't seem to want to do this. It >>>> took TC 45 minutes to see that this wasn't working and he changed it >>>> second half by moving O'Kane deep to sit between them and start the moves. >>>> It was better but I still don't think we're a team that is capable of >>>> playing this type of football in the championship. And whilst we've been >>>> praising TC and slagging Garry Monk (me included) maybe we should now >>>> begin to question whether Monk's limited tactics and straight forward >>>> approach with a hungry team might be a better way forward to this >>>> continental game that TC is trying to adopt with players who find it hard t >> o >>> pass a ball at times. >>>> The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't have >>>> anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he is shite >>>> at 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the ground and >>>> when Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can look >>>> ineffective in the air. >>>> I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two >>>> central midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of the >>>> season the TC had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips into >>>> a new , young superstar. I think we can reflect and see that Philips got a >>>> 4 year contract based on a few goals and half decent games against the >>>> poorer teams in the league. In fact, our results have come against the >>>> weaker teams in the leagues and if you take an objective look at the table >>>> and who we have played you'd have to say a mid table finish with this team >>>> is about right. >>>> However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we have >>>> some better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and maybe pick >>>> players more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on last >>>> year but I think the next few games are the true test of TC and his team. >>>> I remember Wagner adopted this style and was crucified by some Town fans >>>> after variable results but he stuck to his task , got some players in who >>>> can handle it and he ended up in the PL. >>>> As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in >>>> confidence , poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players. >>>> Their big striker had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead in >>>> the first half - you rarely see a central defender left for dead like he >>>> did to Cooper. There weren't many chances (I don't think we had any) and >>>> Lonergan made a decent save for their only chance. The worrying thing for >>>> me though is that we played 45 mins looking like a team who weren't that >>>> bothered. We struggled to put 2 passes together and in midfield we didn't >>>> compete. Hernandez was again relegated to the left wing and Saiz was >>>> playing high up the park and as a result hardly had a kick as we struggled >>>> to take control of the game. >>>> Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the >>>> introduction of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change things. >>>> He gave us a bit of pace and a bit of directness that seemed to spur us >>>> on. Suddenly we wanted it and Saiz started to get on the ball and we >>>> started to llok dangerous. However as we pushed forward Reading did us on >>>> the break with a simple goal scored by Barrow - when he came it on someone >>>> commented that it was inevitable he was going to score. He nearly scored >>>> prior to the goal with a hard shot which was well saved by Lonergan. >>>> We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying over >>>> from 6 yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we got what we >>>> deserved as Saiz jinked into the box and was brought down. >>>> Hernandes, the king of penalties, stepped up and placed it with no pace, >>>> on the floor about 1 yard from the keeper. The easiest penalty save ever. >>>> Hernandes sank to his knees. Summed up the whole day and the performance >>>> perfectly. >>>> There's so many positive things going on at ER at the moment, the >>>> atmosphere is great pre-match and the big crowds are coming back however I >>>> think there's definitely a mini-crisis at the moment which is going to >>>> take some hard work to get out of. I go from thinking TC will pull it out >>>> of the bag and then I think he's actually out of his depth as a >>>> championship manager. Time will tell. >>>> Scores: >>>> Lonergan - 7. Good decision, he looked much more solid and made some good >>>> saves. But why the fuck did we get rid of Rob Green - what a fuck up TC >>>> has made there. >>>> Ayling - 6. Did ok but seemed under pressure and made mistakes >>>> Beradi - 6. Was up against their best player and I think first half he was >>>> given the run around a bit however even on a yellow card Beradi give him a >>>> good battle. I think TC took Beradi off cos he was heading for a red as >>>> the pressure mounted. >>>> Jansson - 5. Doesn't look like the same player to me. I think his partner >>>> didn't help plus the constant switching of pairings isn't helping either. >>>> Cooper - 4. I don't like him bringing the ball out from the back - he is >>>> incapable , I don't like his defending at times when he just looks like an >>>> accident waiting to happen. An incident in the 2nd half summed up Cooper. >>>> Reading were in the area, Cooper made a brilliant last ditch tackle and >>>> brought the ball away but he seemed to get caught off balance and ended up >>>> having the ball taken off him and Reading gained possession again and >>>> should have scored. He's a dodgy defender I'm afraid. >>>> O'Kane - 5. Horrendous first half but second half I thought he did his >>>> best to try and make things happen. He had a couple of woeful shots but at >>>> least he looked like he cared. >>>> Philips - 2. I've always had a problem with this lad and to be fair to him >>>> at times this season you could argue he looks like he might be kicking >>>> on.... Well, I was never convinced and I think his performances in the >>>> last half a dozen games have shown he is not up to it and I do think his >>>> performances a major part of why we are struggling. He is one paced and he >>>> sits in games and doesn't get involved. His contribution to the first half >>>> was zilch, nothing, fuck all. Second half he made one or two tackles but >>>> watch him next game.. For someone who we know has a decent engine (I think >>>> ?) he doesn't track his man and strolls around the pitch. I wanted to see >>>> him flying around putting in those Forest type tackles but he doesn't. I >>>> think together with O'Kane they are without doubt our biggest weakness. >>>> Come on TC it's time for Vierra. >>>> Roofe - 3. He started fairly lively without being that effective but he >>>> just faded into insignificance. He is no winger and I still maintain he's >>>> no championship player. He will score goals for a lower league team and >>>> that's where he should be playing. >>>> Hernandez - 5. He had a poor game but what I like about him is that he >>>> always gets invovled , he chases and he tries things. You could never say >>>> that about Philips. His pens have been good up to now so I think like a >>>> lot of the players he is suffering from the lull we are in. >>>> Saiz - 6. Hardly had a kick first half but came into 2nd half and it >>>> looked like to me that he saved all his effort for the last 15 mins. He >>>> needs someone behind him to be effective. >>>> Lasogga - 3. Very disappointed with him today. This was up there with the >>>> worst of Chris Wood. For a big bloke he gets knocked off the ball too >>>> easily and he is shite in the air. I thought he was a beast against Burton >>>> but he was obviously up against shite that day. He looks like a big fairy. >>>> Subs; >>>> Sackoshit - 7 CHanged the game without any end product >>>> Grot - 0 He looked good against Forest, since then he's hardly done >>>> anything of any merit. >>>> Dallas - not on long enough >>>> TC - needs to make some big decisions. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >>>> >>>> >>>> FLAME WARS 'R US >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >>> >>> >>> FLAME WARS 'R US >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> >> FLAME WARS 'R US > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US