I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts. I think a better partner would help
Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> wrote: > > Jansson.......a CB who was superb on loan.......then signed a permanent deal > and became crap......how many is that now? > > Bamba.....Valiukis or something......that lad from Harrogate.......?????? > >> On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally" <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote: >> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I was >> so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too. >> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the >> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play >> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre back. >> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee and >> not enough getting stuck in and fighting. >> >> Simon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> > >> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written. >> > >> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the >> > last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan >> > yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the >> > last thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around >> > the four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck >> > off ! Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with >> > yourself. >> > >> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him >> > for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside >> > carcrash Cooper. >> > >> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally >> > <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away >> > a bad goal. >> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to >> > not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a >> > long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling, who >> > has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him. >> > I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for >> > us comes back and scores. >> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us >> > arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think >> > Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough >> > and falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He >> > needs to grow a pair. >> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a >> > big bloke and Grot looks useless. >> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too. >> > Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is >> > always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get >> > down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't >> > made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks >> > off when they're not.. >> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy >> > to do it after a win but again I think that's poor. >> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been >> > thinking which positions need strengthening. >> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home). >> > >> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any >> > saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be >> > the long term solution. >> > >> > RB : happy with Ayling >> > >> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a >> > left back. >> > >> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his >> > attitude. >> > >> > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for >> > calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't >> > make up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me >> > looking to get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but >> > tried to bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and >> > they nearly scored. He's not a player in a promotion team for me. >> > >> > RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings >> > it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him. >> > >> > LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks >> > and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a >> > promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This >> > position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, >> > winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like >> > us to throw whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that - >> > trouble is, I can't think of too many. Any thoughts? >> > >> > CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced positions. >> > >> > RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian Messi" >> > tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds said, I think >> > Roofe was poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight and league >> > one is probably his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now. >> > >> > LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more time diving >> > for free kicks than anything else. He's got real class but misplaced loads >> > of easy passes today. I think he's in decline. I'd look for an upgrade or >> > give Dallas a run. >> > >> > CF : thought Lasogga looked the business to start with, but in fairness I >> > think I'd have looked good against Burton. Needs to work a lot harder and >> > maybe this is why he's not played much for Hamburg. Again , hard to judge >> > him when he doesn't get much service but he didn't really do much himself. >> > >> > I make my shopping list : >> > Experienced complete midfielder >> > Goalkeeper >> > Left back >> > Centre back >> > Winger >> > Striker >> > >> > Thoughts? >> > >> > Simon >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > > On 14 Oct 2017, at 19:37, {broken-address} Richard Walker >> > > <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote: >> > > >> > > This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just >> > > didn't look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good decision >> > > but he now has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look to >> > > whether he should develop a Plan B. >> > > It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we were >> > > put under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see the >> > > players thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We >> > > continually put herself under pressure because to play this system you >> > > need at least one midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make >> > > things happen. Both O'Kane and Philips didn't seem to want to do this. >> > > It took TC 45 minutes to see that this wasn't working and he changed it >> > > second half by moving O'Kane deep to sit between them and start the >> > > moves. It was better but I still don't think we're a team that is >> > > capable of playing this type of football in the championship. And whilst >> > > we've been praising TC and slagging Garry Monk (me included) maybe we >> > > should now begin to question whether Monk's limited tactics and straight >> > > forward approach with a hungry team might be a better way forward to >> > > this continental game that TC is trying to adopt with players who find >> > > it har d t >> o >> > pass a ball at times. >> > > The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't have >> > > anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he is >> > > shite at 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the >> > > ground and when Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can >> > > look ineffective in the air. >> > > I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two >> > > central midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of the >> > > season the TC had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips >> > > into a new , young superstar. I think we can reflect and see that >> > > Philips got a 4 year contract based on a few goals and half decent games >> > > against the poorer teams in the league. In fact, our results have come >> > > against the weaker teams in the leagues and if you take an objective >> > > look at the table and who we have played you'd have to say a mid table >> > > finish with this team is about right. >> > > However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we have >> > > some better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and maybe pick >> > > players more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on last >> > > year but I think the next few games are the true test of TC and his >> > > team. I remember Wagner adopted this style and was crucified by some >> > > Town fans after variable results but he stuck to his task , got some >> > > players in who can handle it and he ended up in the PL. >> > > As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in >> > > confidence , poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players. >> > > Their big striker had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead >> > > in the first half - you rarely see a central defender left for dead like >> > > he did to Cooper. There weren't many chances (I don't think we had any) >> > > and Lonergan made a decent save for their only chance. The worrying >> > > thing for me though is that we played 45 mins looking like a team who >> > > weren't that bothered. We struggled to put 2 passes together and in >> > > midfield we didn't compete. Hernandez was again relegated to the left >> > > wing and Saiz was playing high up the park and as a result hardly had a >> > > kick as we struggled to take control of the game. >> > > Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the >> > > introduction of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change >> > > things. He gave us a bit of pace and a bit of directness that seemed to >> > > spur us on. Suddenly we wanted it and Saiz started to get on the ball >> > > and we started to llok dangerous. However as we pushed forward Reading >> > > did us on the break with a simple goal scored by Barrow - when he came >> > > it on someone commented that it was inevitable he was going to score. He >> > > nearly scored prior to the goal with a hard shot which was well saved by >> > > Lonergan. >> > > We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying over >> > > from 6 yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we got what >> > > we deserved as Saiz jinked into the box and was brought down. >> > > Hernandes, the king of penalties, stepped up and placed it with no pace, >> > > on the floor about 1 yard from the keeper. The easiest penalty save >> > > ever.. Hernandes sank to his knees. Summed up the whole day and the >> > > performance perfectly. >> > > There's so many positive things going on at ER at the moment, the >> > > atmosphere is great pre-match and the big crowds are coming back however >> > > I think there's definitely a mini-crisis at the moment which is going to >> > > take some hard work to get out of. I go from thinking TC will pull it >> > > out of the bag and then I think he's actually out of his depth as a >> > > championship manager. Time will tell. >> > > Scores: >> > > Lonergan - 7. Good decision, he looked much more solid and made some >> > > good saves. But why the fuck did we get rid of Rob Green - what a fuck >> > > up TC has made there. >> > > Ayling - 6. Did ok but seemed under pressure and made mistakes >> > > Beradi - 6. Was up against their best player and I think first half he >> > > was given the run around a bit however even on a yellow card Beradi give >> > > him a good battle. I think TC took Beradi off cos he was heading for a >> > > red as the pressure mounted. >> > > Jansson - 5. Doesn't look like the same player to me. I think his >> > > partner didn't help plus the constant switching of pairings isn't >> > > helping either. >> > > Cooper - 4. I don't like him bringing the ball out from the back - he is >> > > incapable , I don't like his defending at times when he just looks like >> > > an accident waiting to happen. An incident in the 2nd half summed up >> > > Cooper. Reading were in the area, Cooper made a brilliant last ditch >> > > tackle and brought the ball away but he seemed to get caught off balance >> > > and ended up having the ball taken off him and Reading gained possession >> > > again and should have scored. He's a dodgy defender I'm afraid. >> > > O'Kane - 5. Horrendous first half but second half I thought he did his >> > > best to try and make things happen. He had a couple of woeful shots but >> > > at least he looked like he cared. >> > > Philips - 2. I've always had a problem with this lad and to be fair to >> > > him at times this season you could argue he looks like he might be >> > > kicking on.. Well, I was never convinced and I think his performances in >> > > the last half a dozen games have shown he is not up to it and I do think >> > > his performances a major part of why we are struggling. He is one paced >> > > and he sits in games and doesn't get involved. His contribution to the >> > > first half was zilch, nothing, fuck all. Second half he made one or two >> > > tackles but watch him next game.. For someone who we know has a decent >> > > engine (I think ?) he doesn't track his man and strolls around the >> > > pitch. I wanted to see him flying around putting in those Forest type >> > > tackles but he doesn't. I think together with O'Kane they are without >> > > doubt our biggest weakness. Come on TC it's time for Vierra. >> > > Roofe - 3. He started fairly lively without being that effective but he >> > > just faded into insignificance. He is no winger and I still maintain >> > > he's no championship player. He will score goals for a lower league team >> > > and that's where he should be playing. >> > > Hernandez - 5. He had a poor game but what I like about him is that he >> > > always gets invovled , he chases and he tries things. You could never >> > > say that about Philips. His pens have been good up to now so I think >> > > like a lot of the players he is suffering from the lull we are in. >> > > Saiz - 6. Hardly had a kick first half but came into 2nd half and it >> > > looked like to me that he saved all his effort for the last 15 mins. He >> > > needs someone behind him to be effective. >> > > Lasogga - 3. Very disappointed with him today. This was up there with >> > > the worst of Chris Wood. For a big bloke he gets knocked off the ball >> > > too easily and he is shite in the air. I thought he was a beast against >> > > Burton but he was obviously up against shite that day. He looks like a >> > > big fairy. >> > > Subs; >> > > Sackoshit - 7 CHanged the game without any end product >> > > Grot - 0 He looked good against Forest, since then he's hardly done >> > > anything of any merit. >> > > Dallas - not on long enough >> > > TC - needs to make some big decisions. >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Leedslist mailing list >> > > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> > > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> > > >> > > >> > > FLAME WARS 'R US >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Leedslist mailing list >> > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> > >> > >> > FLAME WARS 'R US >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> >> FLAME WARS 'R US _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US