I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts.
I think a better partner would help
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> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> wrote:
>
> Jansson.......a CB who was superb on loan.......then signed a permanent deal
> and became crap......how many is that now?
>
> Bamba.....Valiukis or something......that lad from Harrogate.......??????
>
>> On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally" <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I was
>> so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the
>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play
>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre back.
>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee and
>> not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
>> >
>> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the
>> > last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan
>> > yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the
>> > last thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around
>> > the four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck
>> > off ! Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with
>> > yourself.
>> >
>> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him
>> > for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside
>> > carcrash Cooper.
>> >
>> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally
>> > <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away
>> > a bad goal.
>> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to
>> > not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a
>> > long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling, who
>> > has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him.
>> > I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for
>> > us comes back and scores.
>> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us
>> > arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think
>> > Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough
>> > and falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He
>> > needs to grow a pair.
>> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a
>> > big bloke and Grot looks useless.
>> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too.
>> > Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is
>> > always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get
>> > down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't
>> > made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks
>> > off when they're not..
>> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy
>> > to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
>> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been
>> > thinking which positions need strengthening.
>> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
>> >
>> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any
>> > saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be
>> > the long term solution.
>> >
>> > RB : happy with Ayling
>> >
>> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a
>> > left back.
>> >
>> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his
>> > attitude.
>> >
>> > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for
>> > calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't
>> > make up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me
>> > looking to get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but
>> > tried to bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and
>> > they nearly scored. He's not a player in a promotion team for me.
>> >
>> > RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings
>> > it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.
>> >
>> > LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks
>> > and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a
>> > promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This
>> > position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward,
>> > winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like
>> > us to throw whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that -
>> > trouble is, I can't think of too many. Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced positions.
>> >
>> > RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian Messi"
>> > tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds said, I think
>> > Roofe was poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight and league
>> > one is probably his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now.
>> >
>> > LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more time diving
>> > for free kicks than anything else. He's got real class but misplaced loads
>> > of easy passes today. I think he's in decline. I'd look for an upgrade or
>> > give Dallas a run.
>> >
>> > CF : thought Lasogga looked the business to start with, but in fairness I
>> > think I'd have looked good against Burton. Needs to work a lot harder and
>> > maybe this is why he's not played much for Hamburg. Again , hard to judge
>> > him when he doesn't get much service but he didn't really do much himself.
>> >
>> > I make my shopping list :
>> > Experienced complete midfielder
>> > Goalkeeper
>> > Left back
>> > Centre back
>> > Winger
>> > Striker
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On 14 Oct 2017, at 19:37, {broken-address} Richard Walker
>> > > <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just
>> > > didn't look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good decision
>> > > but he now has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look to
>> > > whether he should develop a Plan B.
>> > > It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we were
>> > > put under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see the
>> > > players thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We
>> > > continually put herself under pressure because to play this system you
>> > > need at least one midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make
>> > > things happen. Both O'Kane and Philips didn't seem to want to do this.
>> > > It took TC 45 minutes to see that this wasn't working and he changed it
>> > > second half by moving O'Kane deep to sit between them and start the
>> > > moves. It was better but I still don't think we're a team that is
>> > > capable of playing this type of football in the championship. And whilst
>> > > we've been praising TC and slagging Garry Monk (me included) maybe we
>> > > should now begin to question whether Monk's limited tactics and straight
>> > > forward approach with a hungry team might be a better way forward to
>> > > this continental game that TC is trying to adopt with players who find
>> > > it har
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>> o
>> > pass a ball at times.
>> > > The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't have
>> > > anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he is
>> > > shite at 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the
>> > > ground and when Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can
>> > > look ineffective in the air.
>> > > I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two
>> > > central midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of the
>> > > season the TC had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips
>> > > into a new , young superstar. I think we can reflect and see that
>> > > Philips got a 4 year contract based on a few goals and half decent games
>> > > against the poorer teams in the league. In fact, our results have come
>> > > against the weaker teams in the leagues and if you take an objective
>> > > look at the table and who we have played you'd have to say a mid table
>> > > finish with this team is about right.
>> > > However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we have
>> > > some better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and maybe pick
>> > > players more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on last
>> > > year but I think the next few games are the true test of TC and his
>> > > team. I remember Wagner adopted this style and was crucified by some
>> > > Town fans after variable results but he stuck to his task , got some
>> > > players in who can handle it and he ended up in the PL.
>> > > As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in
>> > > confidence , poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players.
>> > > Their big striker had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead
>> > > in the first half - you rarely see a central defender left for dead like
>> > > he did to Cooper. There weren't many chances (I don't think we had any)
>> > > and Lonergan made a decent save for their only chance. The worrying
>> > > thing for me though is that we played 45 mins looking like a team who
>> > > weren't that bothered. We struggled to put 2 passes together and in
>> > > midfield we didn't compete. Hernandez was again relegated to the left
>> > > wing and Saiz was playing high up the park and as a result hardly had a
>> > > kick as we struggled to take control of the game.
>> > > Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the
>> > > introduction of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change
>> > > things. He gave us a bit of pace and a bit of directness that seemed to
>> > > spur us on. Suddenly we wanted it and Saiz started to get on the ball
>> > > and we started to llok dangerous. However as we pushed forward Reading
>> > > did us on the break with a simple goal scored by Barrow - when he came
>> > > it on someone commented that it was inevitable he was going to score. He
>> > > nearly scored prior to the goal with a hard shot which was well saved by
>> > > Lonergan.
>> > > We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying over
>> > > from 6 yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we got what
>> > > we deserved as Saiz jinked into the box and was brought down.
>> > > Hernandes, the king of penalties, stepped up and placed it with no pace,
>> > > on the floor about 1 yard from the keeper. The easiest penalty save
>> > > ever.. Hernandes sank to his knees. Summed up the whole day and the
>> > > performance perfectly.
>> > > There's so many positive things going on at ER at the moment, the
>> > > atmosphere is great pre-match and the big crowds are coming back however
>> > > I think there's definitely a mini-crisis at the moment which is going to
>> > > take some hard work to get out of. I go from thinking TC will pull it
>> > > out of the bag and then I think he's actually out of his depth as a
>> > > championship manager. Time will tell.
>> > > Scores:
>> > > Lonergan - 7. Good decision, he looked much more solid and made some
>> > > good saves. But why the fuck did we get rid of Rob Green - what a fuck
>> > > up TC has made there.
>> > > Ayling - 6. Did ok but seemed under pressure and made mistakes
>> > > Beradi - 6. Was up against their best player and I think first half he
>> > > was given the run around a bit however even on a yellow card Beradi give
>> > > him a good battle. I think TC took Beradi off cos he was heading for a
>> > > red as the pressure mounted.
>> > > Jansson - 5. Doesn't look like the same player to me. I think his
>> > > partner didn't help plus the constant switching of pairings isn't
>> > > helping either.
>> > > Cooper - 4. I don't like him bringing the ball out from the back - he is
>> > > incapable , I don't like his defending at times when he just looks like
>> > > an accident waiting to happen. An incident in the 2nd half summed up
>> > > Cooper. Reading were in the area, Cooper made a brilliant last ditch
>> > > tackle and brought the ball away but he seemed to get caught off balance
>> > > and ended up having the ball taken off him and Reading gained possession
>> > > again and should have scored. He's a dodgy defender I'm afraid.
>> > > O'Kane - 5. Horrendous first half but second half I thought he did his
>> > > best to try and make things happen. He had a couple of woeful shots but
>> > > at least he looked like he cared.
>> > > Philips - 2. I've always had a problem with this lad and to be fair to
>> > > him at times this season you could argue he looks like he might be
>> > > kicking on.. Well, I was never convinced and I think his performances in
>> > > the last half a dozen games have shown he is not up to it and I do think
>> > > his performances a major part of why we are struggling. He is one paced
>> > > and he sits in games and doesn't get involved. His contribution to the
>> > > first half was zilch, nothing, fuck all. Second half he made one or two
>> > > tackles but watch him next game.. For someone who we know has a decent
>> > > engine (I think ?) he doesn't track his man and strolls around the
>> > > pitch. I wanted to see him flying around putting in those Forest type
>> > > tackles but he doesn't. I think together with O'Kane they are without
>> > > doubt our biggest weakness. Come on TC it's time for Vierra.
>> > > Roofe - 3. He started fairly lively without being that effective but he
>> > > just faded into insignificance. He is no winger and I still maintain
>> > > he's no championship player. He will score goals for a lower league team
>> > > and that's where he should be playing.
>> > > Hernandez - 5. He had a poor game but what I like about him is that he
>> > > always gets invovled , he chases and he tries things. You could never
>> > > say that about Philips. His pens have been good up to now so I think
>> > > like a lot of the players he is suffering from the lull we are in.
>> > > Saiz - 6. Hardly had a kick first half but came into 2nd half and it
>> > > looked like to me that he saved all his effort for the last 15 mins. He
>> > > needs someone behind him to be effective.
>> > > Lasogga - 3. Very disappointed with him today. This was up there with
>> > > the worst of Chris Wood. For a big bloke he gets knocked off the ball
>> > > too easily and he is shite in the air. I thought he was a beast against
>> > > Burton but he was obviously up against shite that day. He looks like a
>> > > big fairy.
>> > > Subs;
>> > > Sackoshit - 7 CHanged the game without any end product
>> > > Grot - 0 He looked good against Forest, since then he's hardly done
>> > > anything of any merit.
>> > > Dallas - not on long enough
>> > > TC - needs to make some big decisions.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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