I knew there was (at least one) other one.
It seems to be our curse.
Probably lucky we didn't sign Bartlett.
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Tim Whelan <tim.whe...@talk21.com> wrote:
> We can add Ľubomír Michalík to the list of Central Defenders who were good
> on loan (in the Championship at the end of 2006/7) but rubbish once signed
> permanently (in League One up 2010, though mostly on the bench in his
> latter days). Possibly the only one to look worse despite the fact we were
> in a lower division by the time he was a permanent signing. For such a tall
> man he never seemed that dominant in the air.
>
> Tim W.
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 15 October 2017, 14:11, Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah but he was brilliant while he was on loan.......that's my point
>
> On 15 Oct 2017 21:07, "Simon McNally" <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>
> > O'Brien was dreadful
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 13:51, Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> wrote:
> >
> > (O'Brien.............that was the other one I was talking about.)
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts.
> >> I think a better partner would help
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jansson.......a CB who was superb on loan.......then signed a permanent
> >> deal and became crap......how many is that now?
> >>
> >> Bamba.....Valiukis or something......that lad from
> >> Harrogate.........??????
> >> On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally" <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but
> I
> >>> was so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off
> too.
> >>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look
> the
> >>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to
> play
> >>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre
> >>> back.
> >>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the
> referee
> >>> and not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
> >>>
> >>> Simon
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
> >>> >
> >>> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat
> but
> >>> the last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a
> fan
> >>> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the
> last
> >>> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around
> the
> >>> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck
> off !
> >>> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself.
> >>> >
> >>> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame
> >>> him for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside
> >>> carcrash Cooper.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally <
> >>> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave
> >>> away a bad goal.
> >>> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by
> >>> to not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to
> travel
> >>> a long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,
> >>> who has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in
> behind
> >>> him... I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was
> shit
> >>> for us comes back and scores.
> >>> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to
> >>> see us arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I
> >>> think Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong
> >>> enough and falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's
> challenged.
> >>> He needs to grow a pair.
> >>> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for
> >>> such a big bloke and Grot looks useless.
> >>> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed
> >>> too. Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel.
> Jansson is
> >>> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get
> >>> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't
> >>> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well,
> fucks off
> >>> when they're not..
> >>> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're
> >>> happy to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
> >>> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been
> >>> thinking which positions need strengthening.
> >>> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
> >>> >
> >>> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make
> >>> any saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but
> can't
> >>> be the long term solution.
> >>> >
> >>> > RB : happy with Ayling
> >>> >
> >>> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not
> >>> a left back.
> >>> >
> >>> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially
> >>> his attitude.
> >>> >
> >>> > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for
> >>> calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't
> make
> >>> up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me
> looking to
> >>> get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to
> >>> bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they
> nearly
> >>> scored. He's not a player in a promotion team for me.
> >>> >
> >>> > RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and
> >>> brings it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.
> >>> >
> >>> > LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the
> >>> ranks and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team
> player
> >>> for a promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today.
> This
> >>> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward,
> >>> winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd
> like us
> >>> to throw whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that -
> >>> trouble is, I can't think of too many. Any thoughts?
> >>> >
> >>> > CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced
> >>> positions.
> >>> >
> >>> > RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian
> >>> Messi" tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds
> said, I
> >>> think Roofe was poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight and
> >>> league one is probably his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now.
> >>> >
> >>> > LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more time
> >>> diving for free kicks than anything else. He's got real class but
> misplaced
> >>> loads of easy passes today. I think he's in decline. I'd look for an
> >>> upgrade or give Dallas a run.
> >>> >
> >>> > CF : thought Lasogga looked the business to start with, but in
> >>> fairness I think I'd have looked good against Burton. Needs to work a
> lot
> >>> harder and maybe this is why he's not played much for Hamburg. Again ,
> hard
> >>> to judge him when he doesn't get much service but he didn't really do
> much
> >>> himself.
> >>> >
> >>> > I make my shopping list :
> >>> > Experienced complete midfielder
> >>> > Goalkeeper
> >>> > Left back
> >>> > Centre back
> >>> > Winger
> >>> > Striker
> >>> >
> >>> > Thoughts?
> >>> >
> >>> > Simon
> >>> >
> >>> > Sent from my iPhone
> >>> >
> >>> > > On 14 Oct 2017, at 19:37, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
> >>> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we
> just
> >>> didn't look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good
> decision
> >>> but he now has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look
> to
> >>> whether he should develop a Plan B.
> >>> > > It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we
> >>> were put under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see
> the
> >>> players thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We
> >>> continually put herself under pressure because to play this system you
> need
> >>> at least one midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make things
> >>> happen. Both O'Kane and Philips didn't seem to want to do this. It
> took TC
> >>> 45 minutes to see that this wasn't working and he changed it second
> half by
> >>> moving O'Kane deep to sit between them and start the moves. It was
> better
> >>> but I still don't think we're a team that is capable of playing this
> type
> >>> of football in the championship. And whilst we've been praising TC and
> >>> slagging Garry Monk (me included) maybe we should now begin to question
> >>> whether Monk's limited tactics and straight forward approach with a
> hungry
> >>> team might be a better way forward to this continental game that TC is
> >>> trying to adopt with players who find it hard t
> >>> o
> >>> > pass a ball at times.
> >>> > > The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't
> >>> have anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he
> is
> >>> shite at 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the
> ground
> >>> and when Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can look
> >>> ineffective in the air.
> >>> > > I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two
> >>> central midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of the
> >>> season the TC had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips
> into
> >>> a new , young superstar. I think we can reflect and see that Philips
> got a
> >>> 4 year contract based on a few goals and half decent games against the
> >>> poorer teams in the league. In fact, our results have come against the
> >>> weaker teams in the leagues and if you take an objective look at the
> table
> >>> and who we have played you'd have to say a mid table finish with this
> team
> >>> is about right.
> >>> > > However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we
> >>> have some better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and
> maybe
> >>> pick players more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on
> last
> >>> year but I think the next few games are the true test of TC and his
> team. I
> >>> remember Wagner adopted this style and was crucified by some Town fans
> >>> after variable results but he stuck to his task , got some players in
> who
> >>> can handle it and he ended up in the PL.
> >>> > > As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in
> >>> confidence , poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players.
> >>> Their big striker had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead
> in
> >>> the first half - you rarely see a central defender left for dead like
> he
> >>> did to Cooper. There weren't many chances (I don't think we had any)
> and
> >>> Lonergan made a decent save for their only chance. The worrying thing
> for
> >>> me though is that we played 45 mins looking like a team who weren't
> that
> >>> bothered. We struggled to put 2 passes together and in midfield we
> didn't
> >>> compete. Hernandez was again relegated to the left wing and Saiz was
> >>> playing high up the park and as a result hardly had a kick as we
> struggled
> >>> to take control of the game.
> >>> > > Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the
> >>> introduction of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change
> things.
> >>> He gave us a bit of pace and a bit of directness that seemed to spur
> us on.
> >>> Suddenly we wanted it and Saiz started to get on the ball and we
> started to
> >>> llok dangerous. However as we pushed forward Reading did us on the
> break
> >>> with a simple goal scored by Barrow - when he came it on someone
> commented
> >>> that it was inevitable he was going to score. He nearly scored prior
> to the
> >>> goal with a hard shot which was well saved by Lonergan.
> >>> > > We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying
> >>> over from 6 yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we got
> >>> what we deserved as Saiz jinked into the box and was brought down.
> >>> > > Hernandes, the king of penalties, stepped up and placed it with no
> >>> pace, on the floor about 1 yard from the keeper. The easiest penalty
> save
> >>> ever. Hernandes sank to his knees. Summed up the whole day and the
> >>> performance perfectly.
> >>> > > There's so many positive things going on at ER at the moment, the
> >>> atmosphere is great pre-match and the big crowds are coming back
> however I
> >>> think there's definitely a mini-crisis at the moment which is going to
> take
> >>> some hard work to get out of. I go from thinking TC will pull it out
> of the
> >>> bag and then I think he's actually out of his depth as a championship
> >>> manager. Time will tell.
> >>> > > Scores:
> >>> > > Lonergan - 7. Good decision, he looked much more solid and made
> some
> >>> good saves. But why the fuck did we get rid of Rob Green - what a fuck
> up
> >>> TC has made there.
> >>> > > Ayling - 6. Did ok but seemed under pressure and made mistakes
> >>> > > Beradi - 6. Was up against their best player and I think first half
> >>> he was given the run around a bit however even on a yellow card Beradi
> give
> >>> him a good battle. I think TC took Beradi off cos he was heading for a
> red
> >>> as the pressure mounted.
> >>> > > Jansson - 5. Doesn't look like the same player to me. I think his
> >>> partner didn't help plus the constant switching of pairings isn't
> helping
> >>> either.
> >>> > > Cooper - 4. I don't like him bringing the ball out from the back -
> >>> he is incapable , I don't like his defending at times when he just
> looks
> >>> like an accident waiting to happen. An incident in the 2nd half summed
> up
> >>> Cooper. Reading were in the area, Cooper made a brilliant last ditch
> tackle
> >>> and brought the ball away but he seemed to get caught off balance and
> ended
> >>> up having the ball taken off him and Reading gained possession again
> and
> >>> should have scored. He's a dodgy defender I'm afraid.
> >>> > > O'Kane - 5. Horrendous first half but second half I thought he did
> >>> his best to try and make things happen. He had a couple of woeful
> shots but
> >>> at least he looked like he cared.
> >>> > > Philips - 2. I've always had a problem with this lad and to be fair
> >>> to him at times this season you could argue he looks like he might be
> >>> kicking on.. Well, I was never convinced and I think his performances
> in
> >>> the last half a dozen games have shown he is not up to it and I do
> think
> >>> his performances a major part of why we are struggling. He is one
> paced and
> >>> he sits in games and doesn't get involved. His contribution to the
> first
> >>> half was zilch, nothing, fuck all. Second half he made one or two
> tackles
> >>> but watch him next game.. For someone who we know has a decent engine
> (I
> >>> think ?) he doesn't track his man and strolls around the pitch. I
> wanted to
> >>> see him flying around putting in those Forest type tackles but he
> doesn't.
> >>> I think together with O'Kane they are without doubt our biggest
> weakness.
> >>> Come on TC it's time for Vierra.
> >>> > > Roofe - 3. He started fairly lively without being that effective
> but
> >>> he just faded into insignificance. He is no winger and I still maintain
> >>> he's no championship player. He will score goals for a lower league
> team
> >>> and that's where he should be playing.
> >>> > > Hernandez - 5. He had a poor game but what I like about him is that
> >>> he always gets invovled , he chases and he tries things. You could
> never
> >>> say that about Philips. His pens have been good up to now so I think
> like a
> >>> lot of the players he is suffering from the lull we are in.
> >>> > > Saiz - 6. Hardly had a kick first half but came into 2nd half and
> it
> >>> looked like to me that he saved all his effort for the last 15 mins. He
> >>> needs someone behind him to be effective.
> >>> > > Lasogga - 3. Very disappointed with him today. This was up there
> >>> with the worst of Chris Wood. For a big bloke he gets knocked off the
> ball
> >>> too easily and he is shite in the air. I thought he was a beast against
> >>> Burton but he was obviously up against shite that day. He looks like a
> big
> >>> fairy.
> >>> > > Subs;
> >>> > > Sackoshit - 7 CHanged the game without any end product
> >>> > > Grot - 0 He looked good against Forest, since then he's hardly done
> >>> anything of any merit.
> >>> > > Dallas - not on long enough
> >>> > > TC - needs to make some big decisions.
> >>> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
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