Jansson.......a CB who was superb on loan.......then signed a permanent
deal and became crap......how many is that now?
Bamba.....Valiukis or something......that lad from Harrogate.......??????
On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally" <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I
> was so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the
> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play
> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre
> back.
> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee
> and not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
>
> Simon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
> >
> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but
> the last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan
> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last
> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the
> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off !
> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself.
> >
> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him
> for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside carcrash
> Cooper.
> >
> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally <
> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave
> away a bad goal.
> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to
> not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a
> long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling, who
> has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him.
> I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us
> comes back and scores.
> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see
> us arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think
> Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and
> falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to
> grow a pair.
> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such
> a big bloke and Grot looks useless.
> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed
> too. Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is
> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get
> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't
> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off
> when they're not..
> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're
> happy to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been
> thinking which positions need strengthening.
> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
> >
> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any
> saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be
> the long term solution.
> >
> > RB : happy with Ayling
> >
> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a
> left back.
> >
> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his
> attitude.
> >
> > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for
> calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make
> up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to
> get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to
> bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly
> scored. He's not a player in a promotion team for me.
> >
> > RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and
> brings it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.
> >
> > LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks
> and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a
> promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This
> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward,
> winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us
> to throw whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that -
> trouble is, I can't think of too many. Any thoughts?
> >
> > CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced positions.
> >
> > RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian
> Messi" tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds said, I
> think Roofe was poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight and
> league one is probably his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now.
> >
> > LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more time diving
> for free kicks than anything else. He's got real class but misplaced loads
> of easy passes today. I think he's in decline. I'd look for an upgrade or
> give Dallas a run.
> >
> > CF : thought Lasogga looked the business to start with, but in fairness
> I think I'd have looked good against Burton. Needs to work a lot harder and
> maybe this is why he's not played much for Hamburg. Again , hard to judge
> him when he doesn't get much service but he didn't really do much himself.
> >
> > I make my shopping list :
> > Experienced complete midfielder
> > Goalkeeper
> > Left back
> > Centre back
> > Winger
> > Striker
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 14 Oct 2017, at 19:37, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just
> didn't look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good decision
> but he now has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look to
> whether he should develop a Plan B.
> > > It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we
> were put under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see the
> players thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We
> continually put herself under pressure because to play this system you need
> at least one midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make things
> happen. Both O'Kane and Philips didn't seem to want to do this. It took TC
> 45 minutes to see that this wasn't working and he changed it second half by
> moving O'Kane deep to sit between them and start the moves. It was better
> but I still don't think we're a team that is capable of playing this type
> of football in the championship. And whilst we've been praising TC and
> slagging Garry Monk (me included) maybe we should now begin to question
> whether Monk's limited tactics and straight forward approach with a hungry
> team might be a better way forward to this continental game that TC is
> trying to adopt with players who find it hard t
> o
> > pass a ball at times.
> > > The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't
> have anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he is
> shite at 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the ground
> and when Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can look
> ineffective in the air.
> > > I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two
> central midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of the
> season the TC had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips into
> a new , young superstar. I think we can reflect and see that Philips got a
> 4 year contract based on a few goals and half decent games against the
> poorer teams in the league. In fact, our results have come against the
> weaker teams in the leagues and if you take an objective look at the table
> and who we have played you'd have to say a mid table finish with this team
> is about right.
> > > However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we
> have some better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and maybe
> pick players more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on last
> year but I think the next few games are the true test of TC and his team. I
> remember Wagner adopted this style and was crucified by some Town fans
> after variable results but he stuck to his task , got some players in who
> can handle it and he ended up in the PL.
> > > As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in
> confidence , poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players.
> Their big striker had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead in
> the first half - you rarely see a central defender left for dead like he
> did to Cooper. There weren't many chances (I don't think we had any) and
> Lonergan made a decent save for their only chance. The worrying thing for
> me though is that we played 45 mins looking like a team who weren't that
> bothered. We struggled to put 2 passes together and in midfield we didn't
> compete. Hernandez was again relegated to the left wing and Saiz was
> playing high up the park and as a result hardly had a kick as we struggled
> to take control of the game.
> > > Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the
> introduction of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change things.
> He gave us a bit of pace and a bit of directness that seemed to spur us on.
> Suddenly we wanted it and Saiz started to get on the ball and we started to
> llok dangerous. However as we pushed forward Reading did us on the break
> with a simple goal scored by Barrow - when he came it on someone commented
> that it was inevitable he was going to score. He nearly scored prior to the
> goal with a hard shot which was well saved by Lonergan.
> > > We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying
> over from 6 yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we got
> what we deserved as Saiz jinked into the box and was brought down.
> > > Hernandes, the king of penalties, stepped up and placed it with no
> pace, on the floor about 1 yard from the keeper. The easiest penalty save
> ever. Hernandes sank to his knees. Summed up the whole day and the
> performance perfectly.
> > > There's so many positive things going on at ER at the moment, the
> atmosphere is great pre-match and the big crowds are coming back however I
> think there's definitely a mini-crisis at the moment which is going to take
> some hard work to get out of. I go from thinking TC will pull it out of the
> bag and then I think he's actually out of his depth as a championship
> manager. Time will tell.
> > > Scores:
> > > Lonergan - 7. Good decision, he looked much more solid and made some
> good saves. But why the fuck did we get rid of Rob Green - what a fuck up
> TC has made there.
> > > Ayling - 6. Did ok but seemed under pressure and made mistakes
> > > Beradi - 6. Was up against their best player and I think first half he
> was given the run around a bit however even on a yellow card Beradi give
> him a good battle. I think TC took Beradi off cos he was heading for a red
> as the pressure mounted.
> > > Jansson - 5. Doesn't look like the same player to me. I think his
> partner didn't help plus the constant switching of pairings isn't helping
> either.
> > > Cooper - 4. I don't like him bringing the ball out from the back - he
> is incapable , I don't like his defending at times when he just looks like
> an accident waiting to happen. An incident in the 2nd half summed up
> Cooper. Reading were in the area, Cooper made a brilliant last ditch tackle
> and brought the ball away but he seemed to get caught off balance and ended
> up having the ball taken off him and Reading gained possession again and
> should have scored. He's a dodgy defender I'm afraid.
> > > O'Kane - 5. Horrendous first half but second half I thought he did his
> best to try and make things happen. He had a couple of woeful shots but at
> least he looked like he cared.
> > > Philips - 2. I've always had a problem with this lad and to be fair to
> him at times this season you could argue he looks like he might be kicking
> on.. Well, I was never convinced and I think his performances in the last
> half a dozen games have shown he is not up to it and I do think his
> performances a major part of why we are struggling. He is one paced and he
> sits in games and doesn't get involved. His contribution to the first half
> was zilch, nothing, fuck all. Second half he made one or two tackles but
> watch him next game.. For someone who we know has a decent engine (I think
> ?) he doesn't track his man and strolls around the pitch. I wanted to see
> him flying around putting in those Forest type tackles but he doesn't. I
> think together with O'Kane they are without doubt our biggest weakness.
> Come on TC it's time for Vierra.
> > > Roofe - 3. He started fairly lively without being that effective but
> he just faded into insignificance. He is no winger and I still maintain
> he's no championship player. He will score goals for a lower league team
> and that's where he should be playing.
> > > Hernandez - 5. He had a poor game but what I like about him is that he
> always gets invovled , he chases and he tries things. You could never say
> that about Philips. His pens have been good up to now so I think like a lot
> of the players he is suffering from the lull we are in.
> > > Saiz - 6. Hardly had a kick first half but came into 2nd half and it
> looked like to me that he saved all his effort for the last 15 mins. He
> needs someone behind him to be effective.
> > > Lasogga - 3. Very disappointed with him today. This was up there with
> the worst of Chris Wood. For a big bloke he gets knocked off the ball too
> easily and he is shite in the air. I thought he was a beast against Burton
> but he was obviously up against shite that day. He looks like a big fairy.
> > > Subs;
> > > Sackoshit - 7 CHanged the game without any end product
> > > Grot - 0 He looked good against Forest, since then he's hardly done
> anything of any merit.
> > > Dallas - not on long enough
> > > TC - needs to make some big decisions.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Leedslist mailing list
> > > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/
> mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> > > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> > >
> > >
> > > FLAME WARS 'R US
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Leedslist mailing list
> > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> >
> >
> > FLAME WARS 'R US
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
>
> FLAME WARS 'R US
>
_______________________________________________
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
FLAME WARS 'R US
