(O'Brien.............that was the other one I was talking about.) On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts. > I think a better partner would help > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> wrote: > > Jansson.......a CB who was superb on loan.......then signed a permanent > deal and became crap......how many is that now? > > Bamba.....Valiukis or something......that lad from Harrogate........?????? > On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally" <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote: > >> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I >> was so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too. >> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the >> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play >> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre >> back. >> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee >> and not enough getting stuck in and fighting. >> >> Simon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote: >> > >> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written. >> > >> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but >> the last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan >> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last >> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the >> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off ! >> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself. >> > >> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame >> him for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside >> carcrash Cooper. >> > >> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally < >> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave >> away a bad goal. >> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to >> not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a >> long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling, who >> has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him.. >> I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us >> comes back and scores. >> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see >> us arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think >> Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and >> falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to >> grow a pair. >> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for >> such a big bloke and Grot looks useless. >> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed >> too. Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is >> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get >> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't >> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off >> when they're not.. >> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're >> happy to do it after a win but again I think that's poor. >> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been >> thinking which positions need strengthening. >> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home). >> > >> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any >> saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be >> the long term solution. >> > >> > RB : happy with Ayling >> > >> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a >> left back. >> > >> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially >> his attitude. >> > >> > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for >> calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make >> up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to >> get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to >> bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly >> scored. He's not a player in a promotion team for me. >> > >> > RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and >> brings it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him. >> > >> > LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the >> ranks and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player >> for a promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This >> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, >> winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us >> to throw whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that - >> trouble is, I can't think of too many. Any thoughts? >> > >> > CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced >> positions. >> > >> > RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian >> Messi" tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds said, I >> think Roofe was poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight and >> league one is probably his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now. >> > >> > LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more time >> diving for free kicks than anything else. He's got real class but misplaced >> loads of easy passes today. I think he's in decline. I'd look for an >> upgrade or give Dallas a run. >> > >> > CF : thought Lasogga looked the business to start with, but in fairness >> I think I'd have looked good against Burton. Needs to work a lot harder and >> maybe this is why he's not played much for Hamburg. Again , hard to judge >> him when he doesn't get much service but he didn't really do much himself. >> > >> > I make my shopping list : >> > Experienced complete midfielder >> > Goalkeeper >> > Left back >> > Centre back >> > Winger >> > Striker >> > >> > Thoughts? >> > >> > Simon >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > > On 14 Oct 2017, at 19:37, {broken-address} Richard Walker < >> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote: >> > > >> > > This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just >> didn't look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good decision >> but he now has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look to >> whether he should develop a Plan B. >> > > It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we >> were put under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see the >> players thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We >> continually put herself under pressure because to play this system you need >> at least one midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make things >> happen. Both O'Kane and Philips didn't seem to want to do this. It took TC >> 45 minutes to see that this wasn't working and he changed it second half by >> moving O'Kane deep to sit between them and start the moves. It was better >> but I still don't think we're a team that is capable of playing this type >> of football in the championship. And whilst we've been praising TC and >> slagging Garry Monk (me included) maybe we should now begin to question >> whether Monk's limited tactics and straight forward approach with a hungry >> team might be a better way forward to this continental game that TC is >> trying to adopt with players who find it hard t >> o >> > pass a ball at times. >> > > The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't >> have anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he is >> shite at 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the ground >> and when Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can look >> ineffective in the air. >> > > I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two >> central midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of the >> season the TC had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips into >> a new , young superstar. I think we can reflect and see that Philips got a >> 4 year contract based on a few goals and half decent games against the >> poorer teams in the league. In fact, our results have come against the >> weaker teams in the leagues and if you take an objective look at the table >> and who we have played you'd have to say a mid table finish with this team >> is about right. >> > > However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we >> have some better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and maybe >> pick players more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on last >> year but I think the next few games are the true test of TC and his team. I >> remember Wagner adopted this style and was crucified by some Town fans >> after variable results but he stuck to his task , got some players in who >> can handle it and he ended up in the PL. >> > > As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in >> confidence , poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players. >> Their big striker had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead in >> the first half - you rarely see a central defender left for dead like he >> did to Cooper. There weren't many chances (I don't think we had any) and >> Lonergan made a decent save for their only chance. The worrying thing for >> me though is that we played 45 mins looking like a team who weren't that >> bothered. We struggled to put 2 passes together and in midfield we didn't >> compete. Hernandez was again relegated to the left wing and Saiz was >> playing high up the park and as a result hardly had a kick as we struggled >> to take control of the game. >> > > Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the >> introduction of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change things. >> He gave us a bit of pace and a bit of directness that seemed to spur us on. >> Suddenly we wanted it and Saiz started to get on the ball and we started to >> llok dangerous. However as we pushed forward Reading did us on the break >> with a simple goal scored by Barrow - when he came it on someone commented >> that it was inevitable he was going to score. He nearly scored prior to the >> goal with a hard shot which was well saved by Lonergan. >> > > We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying >> over from 6 yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we got >> what we deserved as Saiz jinked into the box and was brought down. >> > > Hernandes, the king of penalties, stepped up and placed it with no >> pace, on the floor about 1 yard from the keeper. The easiest penalty save >> ever. Hernandes sank to his knees. Summed up the whole day and the >> performance perfectly. >> > > There's so many positive things going on at ER at the moment, the >> atmosphere is great pre-match and the big crowds are coming back however I >> think there's definitely a mini-crisis at the moment which is going to take >> some hard work to get out of. I go from thinking TC will pull it out of the >> bag and then I think he's actually out of his depth as a championship >> manager. Time will tell. >> > > Scores: >> > > Lonergan - 7. Good decision, he looked much more solid and made some >> good saves. But why the fuck did we get rid of Rob Green - what a fuck up >> TC has made there. >> > > Ayling - 6. Did ok but seemed under pressure and made mistakes >> > > Beradi - 6. Was up against their best player and I think first half >> he was given the run around a bit however even on a yellow card Beradi give >> him a good battle. I think TC took Beradi off cos he was heading for a red >> as the pressure mounted. >> > > Jansson - 5. Doesn't look like the same player to me. I think his >> partner didn't help plus the constant switching of pairings isn't helping >> either. >> > > Cooper - 4. I don't like him bringing the ball out from the back - he >> is incapable , I don't like his defending at times when he just looks like >> an accident waiting to happen. An incident in the 2nd half summed up >> Cooper. Reading were in the area, Cooper made a brilliant last ditch tackle >> and brought the ball away but he seemed to get caught off balance and ended >> up having the ball taken off him and Reading gained possession again and >> should have scored. He's a dodgy defender I'm afraid. >> > > O'Kane - 5. Horrendous first half but second half I thought he did >> his best to try and make things happen. He had a couple of woeful shots but >> at least he looked like he cared. >> > > Philips - 2. I've always had a problem with this lad and to be fair >> to him at times this season you could argue he looks like he might be >> kicking on.. Well, I was never convinced and I think his performances in >> the last half a dozen games have shown he is not up to it and I do think >> his performances a major part of why we are struggling. He is one paced and >> he sits in games and doesn't get involved. His contribution to the first >> half was zilch, nothing, fuck all. Second half he made one or two tackles >> but watch him next game.. For someone who we know has a decent engine (I >> think ?) he doesn't track his man and strolls around the pitch. I wanted to >> see him flying around putting in those Forest type tackles but he doesn't. >> I think together with O'Kane they are without doubt our biggest weakness. >> Come on TC it's time for Vierra. >> > > Roofe - 3. He started fairly lively without being that effective but >> he just faded into insignificance. He is no winger and I still maintain >> he's no championship player. He will score goals for a lower league team >> and that's where he should be playing. >> > > Hernandez - 5. He had a poor game but what I like about him is that >> he always gets invovled , he chases and he tries things. You could never >> say that about Philips. His pens have been good up to now so I think like a >> lot of the players he is suffering from the lull we are in. >> > > Saiz - 6. Hardly had a kick first half but came into 2nd half and it >> looked like to me that he saved all his effort for the last 15 mins. He >> needs someone behind him to be effective. >> > > Lasogga - 3. Very disappointed with him today. This was up there with >> the worst of Chris Wood. For a big bloke he gets knocked off the ball too >> easily and he is shite in the air. I thought he was a beast against Burton >> but he was obviously up against shite that day. He looks like a big fairy. >> > > Subs; >> > > Sackoshit - 7 CHanged the game without any end product >> > > Grot - 0 He looked good against Forest, since then he's hardly done >> anything of any merit. >> > > Dallas - not on long enough >> > > TC - needs to make some big decisions. >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Leedslist mailing list >> > > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mai >> lman/listinfo/leedslist >> > > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> > > >> > > >> > > FLAME WARS 'R US >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Leedslist mailing list >> > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> > >> > >> > FLAME WARS 'R US >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> >> FLAME WARS 'R US >> > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US